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Trebor
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Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Original Message Apr 7, 2010 11:38 am |
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I recently visited a local vac shop, not the one run by a close friend. We discussed Dyson and other brands. He maintains that Dyson WAYYY overestimated the cost of returns/warranty repairs when he invaded the US vac market, which is why the Dysons were given a 5 yr warranty. He said Dyson, despite rumors to the contrary, is making money hand over fist, and show no sign of slowing down. Even though the hose is excluded as a warranty part, Dyson is issuing repair authorizations for them. He also said he is selling Dyson dirt canisters, cords, roller brushes, and hoses like there is no tomorrow. He said Dyson is ready to cut prices when necessary to boost flagging sales. The DC-07 will make a reappearance at $299 or lower when the time is right. I stopped by Best Buy to purchase a memory card for my camera, and wandered down the vac aisle, of course. 33 full size vacuums on display. THREE bagged machines, all uprights. Other than Dyson, only ONE canister, a Dirt Devil straight suction. Dyson had on display three cans and four uprights, over 20% of the vac sku offerings! There are new and interesting things in the vac shops, but nothing has changed at BBR where most of America buys their vacuums. According to him, Panasonic has lost the contract to build Sears canisters. All of this is, of course, excellent news for Kirby.
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #56 Apr 11, 2010 6:20 pm |
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Hi, Just for history's sake, American Electrolux, Model XXX on, did not use pre-filters. There was not a hing between the bag, whether permanent or disposable, and the fans and motor but a perforated grill or bag cage. However, Electrolux models bore an exhaust filter until the coming of the Model G (save for the "hospital" model that I've seen few of) when it was dispensed with. That model and others relied only upon the multi-layer disposable dust bag for many years until someone decided to go back to exhaust filters come the Renaissance series and its secondary models. The interesting thing here is that these cleaners despite the less than fancy filtering arrangement held up well and didn't begin to be reffered to as "dust blowers' until salesmen hawking other brands fell into the habit of it about ten years ago. Lux permanent bags -- and I've emptied many -- were not all that difficult to empty and, depending on how you look at it, were less complicated to deal with than a present-day bagless machine's collection bin. If you've got debris stuck inside a bagless bin that you have to dig out by hand the dust exposure may prove higher. The whole issue has a lot to do with consumer mind-set. We are daily being fed info as to what toss-away thing we can buy or what we can spared touching. There are still those who see life as livable using a string mop along with those that believe they'll be killed by some dread disease if their hands are allowed to touch the water in a mop bucket. The latter feeling is far more profitable to manufacturers and it will be a long time before they'll be thinking about dissuading us. Venson My old Hoover Junior soft bag came with an optional reuseable dust bag, Venson and it filled up with more dust than the dirt bag. I still have it somewhere. However emptying it was a nightmare. However I take your point but the UK uprights changed from dirty fan systems to clean fan systems - and only then when clean fan systems came on board with less destruction to the fan impellers, that's when the pre-filters were born.
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #57 Apr 12, 2010 4:30 am |
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I'm flattered again that you Dib-stir and your quasi dyson poster friend here HS always make your posts about me rather than the thread. You can't contradict me on the facts with any proof so you both resort to personal and professional attacks and diversions. How's that working for you and dyson? Not well. Dyson is still losing vacuum sales and market share year over year to the competition which is beating your favorite brand out by all measures and all accounts, even in the UK. Dyson is a niche vacuum product. Not the mainstreet seller that you and others predicted. Not that niche is a bad thing. It's good as long as it's recognized and respected for what it is and not what it isn't and will never be. Carmine D. Carmine, Let me give you a demonstrable history lesson... there was the tired vacuum industry and the tired bagged vacuum prior to Dyson and there is the tired vacuum industry and the tired bagged vacuum (in smaller numbers) alongside Dyson. As for your so-called facts... you have none. Outside of lying you produce and very rarely produce anything factual. At what point (age) did you begin this most despicable lying habit? Early childhood and perhaps a coping mechanism (gone bad)?
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #59 Apr 12, 2010 8:04 am |
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My old Hoover Junior soft bag came with an optional reuseable dust bag, Venson and it filled up with more dust than the dirt bag. I still have it somewhere. However emptying it was a nightmare. However I take your point but the UK uprights changed from dirty fan systems to clean fan systems - and only then when clean fan systems came on board with less destruction to the fan impellers, that's when the pre-filters were born.
The HOOVER Junior is circa about 1949-50 and after. Dust bag is over 60 years old. It was probably one of the worse if not the worse designed in the industry for dumping. Smallish bag clamp opening for dumping. Very small, probably comparable to hand cleaner openings, bag opening on the vacuum. The vacuum end of the bag always clogged even before full and the bag needed dumping. It was an ideal candidate for an after market paper conversion, which I almost always convinced customers to consider before buying.
Don't think in terms of one type bag is the best for all people in all circumstances. This is the shortsightedness of the die-hard bagless inventors/fans in the industry. They believe bagless is the best for all customers in all cases over paper bags. It's a false premise. Be open enough in thinking to believe that vacuum consumers may run the gamut of what they want and buy from bagless to bagged including permanent reusable cloth like. Especially with the advances in filtration and cloth. Carmine D.
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #60 Apr 12, 2010 10:34 am |
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The HOOVER Junior is circa about 1949-50 and after. Dust bag is over 60 years old. It was probably one of the worse if not the worse designed in the industry for dumping. Smallish bag clamp opening for dumping. Very small, probably comparable to hand cleaner openings, bag opening on the vacuum. The vacuum end of the bag always clogged even before full and the bag needed dumping. It was an ideal candidate for an after market paper conversion, which I almost always convinced customers to consider before buying. Don't think in terms of one type bag is the best for all people in all circumstances. This is the shortsightedness of the die-hard bagless inventors/fans in the industry. They believe bagless is the best for all customers in all cases over paper bags. It's a false premise. Be open enough in thinking to believe that vacuum consumers may run the gamut of what they want and buy from bagless to bagged including permanent reusable cloth like. Especially with the advances in filtration and cloth. Carmine D.
After 1958 Hoover's Junior models had paper bags as standard and it wasn't until the early 1980s a top fill dust channel was added. The 1980's Hoover Junior U1104 model has a a top fill bag system. The opening is huge and the clamp is similar. Paper bags are 6 litres capacity. Filtration wasn't part of its design back then but you reuse the standard Genuine Hoover bags once it had been emptied again.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #61 Apr 12, 2010 1:32 pm |
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After 1958 Hoover's Junior models had paper bags as standard and it wasn't until the early 1980s a top fill dust channel was added. The 1980's Hoover Junior U1104 model has a a top fill bag system. The opening is huge and the clamp is similar. Paper bags are 6 litres capacity. Filtration wasn't part of its design back then but you reuse the standard Genuine Hoover bags once it had been emptied again.
I could easily see a similar lightweight upright now, even top fill, with a reusable cloth like HEPA bag, as a popular seller for small dwellings occupied by singles or couples with no little ones. Priced at $150. It would be very desirable as a competitor with ORECK and other lightweight uprights both bagged and bagless.
Carmine D.
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