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Trebor
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Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Original Message Apr 7, 2010 11:38 am |
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I recently visited a local vac shop, not the one run by a close friend. We discussed Dyson and other brands. He maintains that Dyson WAYYY overestimated the cost of returns/warranty repairs when he invaded the US vac market, which is why the Dysons were given a 5 yr warranty. He said Dyson, despite rumors to the contrary, is making money hand over fist, and show no sign of slowing down. Even though the hose is excluded as a warranty part, Dyson is issuing repair authorizations for them. He also said he is selling Dyson dirt canisters, cords, roller brushes, and hoses like there is no tomorrow. He said Dyson is ready to cut prices when necessary to boost flagging sales. The DC-07 will make a reappearance at $299 or lower when the time is right. I stopped by Best Buy to purchase a memory card for my camera, and wandered down the vac aisle, of course. 33 full size vacuums on display. THREE bagged machines, all uprights. Other than Dyson, only ONE canister, a Dirt Devil straight suction. Dyson had on display three cans and four uprights, over 20% of the vac sku offerings! There are new and interesting things in the vac shops, but nothing has changed at BBR where most of America buys their vacuums. According to him, Panasonic has lost the contract to build Sears canisters. All of this is, of course, excellent news for Kirby.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #48 Apr 11, 2010 2:52 pm |
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Honda has been advertising 0 APR. I doubt sales incentives would increase sales by 49% if Toyota wasn't still the best auto available today. Remember all those incentives on Hoover prior to them selling.? It is difficult to sell inferior products even at distress prices. I am shifting gears away from a topic that you brought up. As usual when caught with your drawers down you want to avoid the subjet. The discussion wasn't about Dyson being robbed of sales from other bagless vacs. It was about bagged overtaking bagless. You still can't produce data to support your whimsical comments. Get facts then let's talk. I am already out of the junk business. I meant Oreck business. I already knew I did not like them. Just nol how much.
HS would you make up your mind. What do you want to talk about? Cars or vacuums? Bagged vacuums like your Royal Emminence. Bagless like your HOOVER upright. Or junk like your DC07 that you got rid of.
Like I said, and will repeat for your benefit for shortsightedness, now is a great time to buy a new car. Incentives galore. With toyotas selling at their lowest prices ever in the USA. But that's what buyers expect. After all, their loss in retail values are the subject of several class action suits.  Carmine D.
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #49 Apr 11, 2010 3:03 pm |
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HS would you make up your mind. What do you want to talk about? Cars or vacuums? Bagged vacuums like your Royal Emminence. Bagless like your HOOVER upright. Or junk like your DC07 that you got rid of. Like I said, and will repeat for your benefit for shortsightedness, now is a great time to buy a new car. Incentives galore. With toyotas selling at their lowest prices ever in the USA. But that's what buyers expect. After all, their loss in retail values are the subject of several class action suits. Carmine D.
As suspected. All you got is hot air. Where is the data? You are punch drunk again.
Bullies like you run and hide when they are confronted.
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mole
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Location: earth
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #50 Apr 11, 2010 3:07 pm |
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As suspected. All you got is hot air. Where is the data? You are punch drunk again. Bullies like you run and hide when they are confronted.
I thought Carmine was from the area of the RAGING BULL .
I heard Camine is a great shot with a screwdriver. MOLE
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HARDSELL
Joined: Aug 22, 2007
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #51 Apr 11, 2010 3:15 pm |
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I thought Carmine was from the area of the RAGING BULL . I heard Camine is a great shot with a screwdriver. MOLE
Bull is correct. In fact he should be called BS.
I think he missed the whole car he threw at.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #52 Apr 11, 2010 3:43 pm |
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Bull is correct. In fact he should be called BS. I think he missed the whole car he threw at.
HS you're nuttier than the deluxe pecan log at Stuckey's.
Carmine D.
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
Joined: May 31, 2009
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #53 Apr 11, 2010 4:01 pm |
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There is a market for permanent cloth like reusable bags. Just as there was for bagless. And is for paper bags. Science and technology advancements pave the way. Always contingent on price. Carmine D. For environmentalists the thought of using a permanent washable fabric bag means no harms to cutting trees down to save on paper. That may work for them but for the moment let me give you an example. A cost of Vax genuine dust bags cost between £5-99 and double that for the same pack of 5 bags plus an extra filter kit. The permanent bag for the Vax canister is priced at the same as the extra kit dust bag kit, or for simpler understanding, double the price of the genuine dust bags. Most buyers these days tend to buy copy bags so they're even cheaper, sometimes half the price of genuine bags and only Sebo in the UK have released information about warnings of using copy bags (seen here: http://www.cleaningmag.com/articles/view/the-real-thing/0). I dont think most buyers listen when it comes to buying bags and will just go for whatever is available. Having owned the Vax canister myself and having had to pay out for three shake out bags in the machine's life time I have now returned to using paper dust bags. Simply because it is a dirty and messy affair when it comes to emptying and the poor cloth material doesn't last long after it has been washed and dried. Certainly my view would change personally if Vax updated the actual material to withstand machine wash, of which it carries correct and exact wash instructions. At this moment in time Carmine, I don't think it's prudent to consider that the permanent dust bag is the next best thing. Certainly over the infinitely disposable idea which gets rid of dust once and for all out of the vacuum cleaner it makes a lot more sense to consider this than dirty shake out bags. Here's a quote I picked up after reading a short review following a Hitachi vacuum cleaner by someone: http://www.comparestoreprices.co.uk/vacuum-cleaners/hitachi-cv790.asp "...We bought our little Hitachi in 1996. It is the 1100W model. I have been delighted with the performance. It is well made and has excellent suction. The only thing that I don't like about the CV790 is the permanent dustbag. It is a bonus not to have to buy paper bags, but cleaning the clothbag is a dirty affair. The best method seems to be to brush the dust off in a bucket of water; otherwise one is covered in a cloud of muck. I repaired vacuum cleaners for a living for seven years and can certainly recommend the Hitachi CV790 as a well made, reliable machine. They are now discontinued, but parts are still available from Charles Hyde. If you see one for a good price in a second hand shop it may be a good buy. However, do be aware that the cloth dust bag needs to be thoroughly cleaned on a regular basis in order to maintain good suction and prolong motor life..."
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Venson
Joined: Jul 23, 2007
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #54 Apr 11, 2010 5:16 pm |
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- Filters for vacuums that use disposable dust bags can be the same as those that have permanent bags - Hoover and Electrolux have done this in the past but the cost of upkeep isn't the same because of poor sealing on the material shake out bag.
Hi,
Just for history's sake, American Electrolux, Model XXX on, did not use pre-filters. There was not a hing between the bag, whether permanent or disposable, and the fans and motor but a perforated grill or bag cage. However, Electrolux models bore an exhaust filter until the coming of the Model G (save for the "hospital" model that I've seen few of) when it was dispensed with. That model and others relied only upon the multi-layer disposable dust bag for many years until someone decided to go back to exhaust filters come the Renaissance series and its secondary models. The interesting thing here is that these cleaners despite the less than fancy filtering arrangement held up well and didn't begin to be reffered to as "dust blowers' until salesmen hawking other brands fell into the habit of it about ten years ago. Lux permanent bags -- and I've emptied many -- were not all that difficult to empty and, depending on how you look at it, were less complicated to deal with than a present-day bagless machine's collection bin. If you've got debris stuck inside a bagless bin that you have to dig out by hand the dust exposure may prove higher. The whole issue has a lot to do with consumer mind-set. We are daily being fed info as to what toss-away thing we can buy or what we can spared touching. There are still those who see life as livable using a string mop along with those that believe they'll be killed by some dread disease if their hands are allowed to touch the water in a mop bucket. The latter feeling is far more profitable to manufacturers and it will be a long time before they'll be thinking about dissuading us. Venson
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vacmanuk
Location: Scotland UK
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #56 Apr 11, 2010 6:20 pm |
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Hi, Just for history's sake, American Electrolux, Model XXX on, did not use pre-filters. There was not a hing between the bag, whether permanent or disposable, and the fans and motor but a perforated grill or bag cage. However, Electrolux models bore an exhaust filter until the coming of the Model G (save for the "hospital" model that I've seen few of) when it was dispensed with. That model and others relied only upon the multi-layer disposable dust bag for many years until someone decided to go back to exhaust filters come the Renaissance series and its secondary models. The interesting thing here is that these cleaners despite the less than fancy filtering arrangement held up well and didn't begin to be reffered to as "dust blowers' until salesmen hawking other brands fell into the habit of it about ten years ago. Lux permanent bags -- and I've emptied many -- were not all that difficult to empty and, depending on how you look at it, were less complicated to deal with than a present-day bagless machine's collection bin. If you've got debris stuck inside a bagless bin that you have to dig out by hand the dust exposure may prove higher. The whole issue has a lot to do with consumer mind-set. We are daily being fed info as to what toss-away thing we can buy or what we can spared touching. There are still those who see life as livable using a string mop along with those that believe they'll be killed by some dread disease if their hands are allowed to touch the water in a mop bucket. The latter feeling is far more profitable to manufacturers and it will be a long time before they'll be thinking about dissuading us. Venson My old Hoover Junior soft bag came with an optional reuseable dust bag, Venson and it filled up with more dust than the dirt bag. I still have it somewhere. However emptying it was a nightmare. However I take your point but the UK uprights changed from dirty fan systems to clean fan systems - and only then when clean fan systems came on board with less destruction to the fan impellers, that's when the pre-filters were born.
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DysonInventsBig
Location: USA
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Re: Visit to Best Buy and another local vac retailer
Reply #57 Apr 12, 2010 4:30 am |
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I'm flattered again that you Dib-stir and your quasi dyson poster friend here HS always make your posts about me rather than the thread. You can't contradict me on the facts with any proof so you both resort to personal and professional attacks and diversions. How's that working for you and dyson? Not well. Dyson is still losing vacuum sales and market share year over year to the competition which is beating your favorite brand out by all measures and all accounts, even in the UK. Dyson is a niche vacuum product. Not the mainstreet seller that you and others predicted. Not that niche is a bad thing. It's good as long as it's recognized and respected for what it is and not what it isn't and will never be. Carmine D. Carmine, Let me give you a demonstrable history lesson... there was the tired vacuum industry and the tired bagged vacuum prior to Dyson and there is the tired vacuum industry and the tired bagged vacuum (in smaller numbers) alongside Dyson. As for your so-called facts... you have none. Outside of lying you produce and very rarely produce anything factual. At what point (age) did you begin this most despicable lying habit? Early childhood and perhaps a coping mechanism (gone bad)?
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