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New Electrolux
Original Message   Jul 1, 2009 4:50 pm
I heard tell that there was a new Lux coming down the pike.  Anyone have any info?  Is it a new Lux or a redesigned Guardian?

Some hear tell it has a digital motor. 

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: New Electrolux
Reply #43   Aug 3, 2009 8:10 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Is your computer giving bad info again.  Amason results do not show Hoover as rating better.

Total Reviews5 Stars% with 5 Stars  
141476353.96%Tempo 
35514.29%Fusion  31% rated it 1 star
1218.33%Fusion Plus50% rated it 1 star
41225662.14%DC07All Floors
55142777.50%DC07Animal
704970.00%DC25Animal
1327859.09%DC14All Floors
16110867.08%DC18All Floors

I discussed Dyson with the Royal dealer when I bought the Royal.  Actually he did not bad mouth them.  Naturally he wanted to sell a vac so he gave the pitch on advantage of the Royal.  BTW he was selling DC07 and had one on the new display floor.


As usual HS you post ands spin to suit your purposes.  HOOVER TEMPO gets more 5 star ratings than the DC07 All Floors and DC07 Animal combined.  THe most 5 star ratings.  Take off your dyson color glasses.  Here's the excerpt for you again:

"The Hoover Tempo Widepath U5140-900 gets the most support from more than 1,000 owners who have posted reviews at Amazon.com. It's also included in Consumer Reports magazine's more scientific roundup of vacuum cleaners. We found a few interesting posts on Epinions.com and some video reviews at ExpoTV.com.

Overall, owners of the Hoover Tempo Widepath U5140-900 upright vacuum are very happy with their purchase. They cite the vac's low weight (only 16 pounds) compared to others, which makes it easier to push and to carry up and down stairs. Owners are also pleased with the included allergen filter. 


Glad to hear the indy sells at least the DC07.  I would too just for accomodation to customers who insist and to get the warranty and parts business.  Unlike James, indies don't have to bad mouth dyson to elevate the brands they sell and repair.  All coexist for customers to chose.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: New Electrolux
Reply #44   Aug 3, 2009 8:22 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello Procare:

HS and his dyson twin DIB are dyson pawns here who attack personally and professionally all vacuum cleaner stores owners and operators for their frank and honest opinions about their favorite brand dyson.  Taking their lead from dyson and Sir James they also attack all other bagged brands [choke vacuums]  and bagless [lazy copiers] in an effort to elevate their own overpriced brand at the expense of others. 

They are not vacuum industry professionals, tho they don't state their background here saying instead it is not important.  Gives them wide latitude and discretion to attack indies and industry pros here who do post and are proud of their business heritage.  DIB will point to his father's 3 restaurant businesses as a frame of reference for business.  I suspect he does not see eye to eye with his father either on business matters since he is not part of the restaurant business.  I opine that his father used dysons in the businesses and was so upset and disappointed by the performance that he refuses to allow his son in.  Hopefully I'm wrong.  But not sure.

Carmine D.



Carmine,  I do not attack but hell yes I will defend.  Your asinine remarks have resulted in many attacks from others on you in every forum that you participated in. 

You have had a vendetta against Dyson ever since they made a monkey of you a few years back.  Please post back with any untrue statements that I have made against other brands.  Your ego is so big that you will go to any extreme in an attempt to boost it.  Dyson took the wind out of you sails so you set out on a journey to ruin them.  Success or failure will not be a result of your part.  You are no more than a pith ant in the path.

A professional is one who earns a living in a given or implied occupation.  All are not experts, skilled nor honest. Regardless of occupation.  I did not attack Procare.  In fact I posted a smiley with the comment.  Anyone who participates in a publc forum and can't accept some kidding needs to get in a dark room without a computer.  I previously thanked Procare for his civil manner in one of his posts.

HERE IS YOUR SIGN   

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: New Electrolux
Reply #45   Aug 3, 2009 8:46 am
HARDSELL wrote:
Carmine,  I do not attack but hell yes I will defend.  Your asinine remarks have resulted in many attacks from others on you in every forum that you participated in. 

You have had a vendetta against Dyson ever since they made a monkey of you a few years back.  Please post back with any untrue statements that I have made against other brands.  Your ego is so big that you will go to any extreme in an attempt to boost it.  Dyson took the wind out of you sails so you set out on a journey to ruin them.  Success or failure will not be a result of your part.  You are no more than a pith ant in the path.

A professional is one who earns a living in a given or implied occupation.  All are not experts, skilled nor honest. Regardless of occupation.  I did not attack Procare.  In fact I posted a smiley with the comment.  Anyone who participates in a publc forum and can't accept some kidding needs to get in a dark room without a computer.  I previously thanked Procare for his civil manner in one of his posts.

Defend the consistently lower and lower sales for the later dyson models and the lower 5 star ratings.  Tell me based on the data: Are dyson sales and performance improving/regressing?  Your data.  Just as the indies and I here are saying.  DC07 was the best for dyson.  After that, its been all downhill.  In sales and performance.  70 ball models sold.  On the market for over 2 years.  Innovative?  In price and looks only.  This is the same model with the defective motor harness wiring that fails in a few months of purchase.  Wonder how many of those 49 raters giving 5 stars would still?

Carmine D. 

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CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: New Electrolux
Reply #46   Aug 3, 2009 8:51 am
The more you post and attack, the more you prove me right about you and your dyson twin DIB being dyson pawns here.  Struggling to keep your fave brand afloat?  Did you notice that in your chart data, HOOVER TEMPO models sold more than all your dysons combined.  Do the math.  One HOOVER model sells more units than a half dozen dyson models and gets more 5 star ratings.  Fact!  You posted it.  Look at the low dyson sales and 5 stars for the ball model.  DIB boasts this as leading edge technology.  Yeah, right like the dyson ball barrow that no longer sells anywhere except on-lin by a German outfit that had to modify substantially to give it balance.  Sold to little ladies who do gardening!

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: New Electrolux
Reply #47   Aug 3, 2009 9:03 am
CarmineD wrote:
The more you post and attack, the more you prove me right about you and your dyson twin DIB being dyson pawns here.  Struggling to keep your fave brand afloat?  Did you notice that in your chart data, HOOVER TEMPO models sold more than all your dysons combined.  Do the math.  One HOOVER model sells more units than a half dozen dyson models and gets more 5 star ratings.  Fact!  You posted it.  Look at the low dyson sales and 5 stars for the ball model.  DIB boasts this as leading edge technology.  Yeah, right like the dyson ball barrow that no longer sells anywhere except on-lin by a German outfit that had to modify substantially to give it balance.  Sold to little ladies who do gardening!

Carmine D.


I did not see any sales data numbers.  Only Review numbers.  I have no doubt that Tempo is a big seller.  Cheeeap, Cheeeeap always sells more than expensive.  More sales does not mean better cleaning performance.

Tempo performs better than all the high priced imports also by your ctireria.

Amazingly it rates better than those $200 to $800 Orecks that you taut.  Why do you continue to use your electric broom?  The Tempo should suffice.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: New Electrolux
Reply #48   Aug 3, 2009 9:09 am
HARDSELL wrote:
I did not see any sales data numbers.  Only Review numbers.  I have no doubt that Tempo is a big seller.  Cheeeap, Cheeeeap always sells more than expensive.  More sales does not mean better cleaning performance.

Tempo performs better than all the high priced imports also by your ctireria.

Amazingly it rates better than those $200 to $800 Orecks that you taut.  Why do you continue to use your electric broom?  The Tempo should suffice.



HS:

Presumably more reviews is logically consistent with more sales, yes.  Wouldn't you agree?  I suspect you abridged the chart data, leaving out DC15 and DC24 sales and reviews. 

Now that your HOOVER versus dyson argument falls apart you want to introduce ORECK?  And call it an electric broom?  Proof of your attacking non-dyson brands?  Want more? 

Carmine D.

HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293

Re: New Electrolux
Reply #49   Aug 3, 2009 10:52 am
CarmineD wrote:
HS:

Presumably more reviews is logically consistent with more sales, yes.  Wouldn't you agree?  I suspect you abridged the chart data, leaving out DC15 and DC24 sales and reviews. 

Now that your HOOVER versus dyson argument falls apart you want to introduce ORECK?  And call it an electric broom?  Proof of your attacking non-dyson brands?  Want more? 

Carmine D.

How does it fall apart when Dyson has more perfect scores?  Common sense tells an intelligent person that the brand with fewer reviews can not have more stars.  Intelligence also shows Dyson getting a larger % of share.  Remember what you always say.  % of market is better than units sold.  % should apply in comparisons also if what you always say is true.

Read and weep:

REVIEWS5 STARS% AT 5 STARS 
40328971.71%DC15 
773849.35%DC24
24625.00%HOOVER Z 700
8112.50%Z 400

Didn't you tell the world that "Z" and Fusion would whoop Dyson.  The chart tells the story.  Your favorite (Wind Tunnel) scores about 35 % in 5 stars.  Not very good for a vac that you taut as the standard to match in the industry.  Is it any wonder that no one copies the WT?

My point with Oreck was to show that the Tempo rates higher than your tauted Oreck.  Get over it.

No attack. Just fact.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: New Electrolux
Reply #50   Aug 3, 2009 12:57 pm
My point HS is that HOOVER makes and sells an $80 upright TEMPO that consistently beats out all the $500 plus dyson models in sales, performance and satisfaction.    And TEMPO beats others too.  A testament ot its quality, performance and consumer appeal.

Carmine D.

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894

Re: New Electrolux
Reply #51   Aug 3, 2009 1:20 pm
And TEMPO is only 16 pounds.  The cutoff for a lightweight class in the vacuum industry.  Eat your hearts out dyson fans. 

Carmine D.

procare


Joined: Jul 16, 2009
Points: 192

Re: New Electrolux
Reply #52   Aug 3, 2009 10:30 pm
Hardsell,

   I did not take your remark of me as a joke, smiley or not. I fix vacuums for all customers no matter what they have. Dyson just hasn't got what it takes for me to back. Plastic that gets brittle and easy to break, dyson claims of never clogging or losing suction (under laboratory use not home use) , Suction of the late 80's , early 90's, heavy weight, high price for the cost of its components- DIB says wholesale for clutch unit $ 19 , try and get one  cost fom Dyson $50 plus labor putting it in at a Dyson facility total cost with tax could cost $124 +. As far as having a vandetta against Dyson ,Hoover, Kirby, Rainbow or any other vacuum I don't.

   I have been working on all cleaners for longer than you have been around . Bagless electric brooms came out in the 1950's. The people asked for and got bagged brooms. Today we are seeing a fad that is going on and as any fad will eventually die. It will take longer than in the fifties due to the population. It sounds good to use no bags but it does take filters and they are more expensive than bags and many don't last as long.

                                                                                             Procare

                                                                                                    

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