Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

yet its performance is on par with what some have considered great deep  cleaners..

..or  powerhouse vacs of same time period....so could those of you who have some knowledge of these units

 please give some first hand input as to why or what were  the flaws in these units...nobody at the shop

even remembers them ,,so no help  there.....and what were the features of the others of this time period

that made them so much better than the above....nobody seems to know?

on the convertible it has a top fill f/g bag...or is that considered bottom fill?..perforated  bag outside..

.5amps....rather quiet.

runabout i hear is based on elite model..not sure..takes A-bags..hardcover 7.2 amp...not too loud

i tested each against  a eureka bravo 12amp and a sanitaire comm..6.5amp.......just not seeing the

wow factor in performance diff...the elite is supposed to be great..yet thats what  runabout is/renamed i think,

id rather take advice and exp over a collector....hands down....its seems that  most everybody i know hasnt

a clue abt the older models.....i just prefer the knowledge of someone whos gotten their hands dirty...you guys

.if you know what i mean....b4 the CYCLONES AND DIRTFINDERS,,,

Hi Venson:

Glad you enjoyed the YT vid.  Most definitely disposable at the low MSRP.  But very much repairable too, sharing many of the very same parts and pieces with the traditional HOOVER Convertibles.  Per the video, this U4119 uses a metal soleplate.  But many of these vintage use a plastic bottom plate.  Cracks and breakage were common on these models on the bases primarily due to the metal bails and handle releases and metal agitators.  Over time cracks developed on the undercarriage of the vacuum and the ends of the agitator well.  But all things considered I'd say 7-10 years of average use [with user care] for these Convertibles is very likely.

Carmine D.

Your welcome 'turtle1'  I should have said this model was noisier than the metal base HOOVER Convertibles.  The U4119 uses the traditional C style bottom fill bag.  A nuisance.  Tho a top fill converter bag could be added at the time for about $25, half the price of the new vacuum.  Kudos for EUREKA having the top fill paper bag [Style F&G] going back to the late 40's and early 50's.  Took HOOVER a long time to catch up.

The Runabout [model name still in use by HOOVER today on an upright and canister] is to the HOOVER WT's what the U4119 is to the traditional HOOVER Convertibles.  A less expensive entry level disposable model.  HOOVER was savvy with these big box retailers' specials.  Offered at very low low prices (probably for college students, singles, young married couples), these entry brand models [like the U4119 Convertible, Runabout ,and even the HOOVER Elite upright (not the older Elite Convertible upright but the no tools on board straight rug cleaner)] often got HOOVER customers to buy the higher price HOOVER store models.  Vacuum consumers were so impressed with the performance of these cheap HOOVER priced models, they often traded up to the more expensive HOOVER models when circumstances and facts allowed.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

 
HI CARMINE

thanks so much for your help...all my questions got answered.

i put those 2 up against some tough tests..side by side with some of the best ...these are the real hoovers...entry level perhaps..

but a DYSON KILLER...INDEED....once again we see  hoovers  from the past - present -and future have made  a meal out of all DYSON has created.

guess its a good thing for dyson that hoover doesnt make hand driers.....

Interesting observations about that ceratin d brand vacuum.  Some here like to compare that d brand with HOOVER for the many different models and types.  I don't like the comparison.

HOOVER offered low end to meddlin to high end in all price ranges and budgets for all persons regardless of their lifestyle situations.  As I said, the U4119, the Runabout, and Elite uprights along with a host of others like these had entry level prices.  The intent of these cheap models was to impress and solidify their performance in the customers' minds with the HOOVER brand.  Expecting that as the facts and circumstances of the entry level buyers changed, they would trade up to the higher price HOOVER models.  Not unlike GM and their 5 brands: The chevy for the hoi polloi, the pontiac for the poor but proud, the oldsmobile for the comfortable, the buick for the striving, and the cadillac for the rich.

The d brand can't say the same.  It's high price, higher price and highest price.  Okay for good times and buyers.  Bad strategy in poor times with cash strapped buyers.

Carmine D.

Hoover was the GM of vacuums.  Numerous models and more introduced every few months.  No improvement, just another model name.  It went the way of GM.  Had to be bailed out to survive.

Dyson is the Lexus of vacuums.  Expensive and worth it if you can afford one.  Slower sales in bad economic times but surviving.  No bilout/buyout requested to date.

Sorry HS have to disagree with your comparison.  HOOVER was SOLD by MAYATG to Whirpool.  No bail out.  Arm's length transaction with several suitors in the running.  Then TTI bought HOOVER from WP.  As I told/showed here Warren Buffett, the Oracle of Omaha, has invested money in TTI since its purchase of HOOVER. 

Do you own a Lexus and/or dyson? 

Slower sales?  More like non-existent in 2009, probably dyson's worse sales year EVER!  Note the retailers' stores in the top 10 for revenues in 2008.  I posted on the thread that Venson started called Research.  Few if any are currently selling dyson's latest models in their stores.  On line only sales if they are.  Others carry discontinued dysons at huge discounts from MSRP just to clear them out of the storerooms, warehouses and shelves.  Don't have to be a genius to know the reason.  Expensive and not worth it compared to competition.

Carmine D.

HI CARMINE

even then his clearence prices are above $300.....well above those whose performance meet or exceed

@ a much lower reg price....but isnt toyota the entry level maker...and lexus the med to higher end of toyota...its creator.

i mean i love RICCAR / PANSC / HOOVER / ORECK....so i make sure i own one...or all...and i can because they are very affordable

....not owning what i consider to be the best would be unacceptable...and uncivilized....but thats just an opinion...in a sea of many.

Hoover was bailed out by TTI.  I am familiar with the way that Whirlpool opertates and it is for sure that Hoover does not fit their business model.  Are you positive that Hoover was the only reason for WB's purchase?  Like all others he has suffered losses in the market.

My owning a Lexus is irrelevant.  As good as they are I still prefer my USA Ford.  If I travelled and wanted the ultimate in luxury I would own a Lexus. 

I have often how doom followed Dyson wherever you go.  They are alive and well in the local stores in TN and surrounding states.  Could it be that you are stretching the truth----AGAIN?

Just as I thought HS.  You and others boast of your fave brand here but don't own it.  Any wonder your fave brand sales are falling exponentially? 

WRT the truth, I like to quote the Bible to you and others who criticize and impugn those who disagree with you about your fave brand vacuum.  Before you chastize the splinter in your neighbor's eye, remove the log from your own.  Dyson and BEST BUY dropped the price of their latest and greatest DC28 by $100 in less than a month of its launch.  From $600 to $500.  Not because DC28 sales are booming.  They are non-existent. 

Carmine D.