Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Did anyone notice that the DC11 is back on some of the Dyson websites... Here's one that I thought was gone forever...

CarmineD wrote:

HS, as usual you are wearing your dysoin-issued rose colored dyson glasses.  DC07 and DC14 are kaput, discontinued, being sold at discount prices.  They are getting bandied about, new and used, on sale by all dyson retailers.  If winning is a function of longevity, as in the last vacuum still selling, ORECK beats your fave brand/model in that matchoff too. 

Carmine D.

IF a frog had wings we know the result.  Oreck lost in performance.  That is what I was buying.  Hoover lost because it is now defunct except in name.  HOOVER LOST.

HARDSELL wrote:

A new innovative dyson product for $500 that sits on the shelf collecting dust. 

I still own and use my ORECK after 2 years in my home and gifted 3 new ones just like it away to others who enjoy using their ORECKs.  You sold your dyson after 2 years and bought a bagged Royal.  Looks like ORECK wins, HS.  Actions, not words, speak loudest.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

A Dyson will collect more dirt/dust on the shelf than your Oreck collects when running.

Glad you like the Oreck.  That still doesn't make it a good performer.I kept the Oreck maybe 2 weeks and the DC07 more like 3 years. I now own a Royal, Kirby and Rainbow.  I booted the Oreck never to have another in my home.  Your usual logic would show Oreck as winner. No one else would see it that way. BTW, that old Z that you predicted to be the demise of Dyson sure left your home in a hurry.Very amusing that you sold and used Hoover for so many years and now you use Oreck.  Actions do speak loudly.

honest curousity...i had read somewhere that  the DDM /CANISTER was a great hit in asia,where  japan[ i think] had bought the rights to it . my question is  if u have a stellar motor then why not bring it market in your top end vacs and crush all who challenge.[ why so long to get here]..im not a big fan of dyson in any way..at all.. but i do like what i hear  or have heard abt the DDM...id ask the same question if my 2 favorites  RICCAR/PANASONIC had a DDM avail. ...and if proven to be better id pull out the current motor and without 2nd thought drop in a DDM ....its like not bringing your fastest car to the big race.

retardturtle1 wrote:

Hello retardturtle1:   This is for HS's benefit too and others here who cry foul whenever I say what I think about their fave brand, company and models.  A dyson I actually liked was the All Carpets which was a Wal*Mart exclusive in 2003.  No gawdawful noisey problem prone clutch.  Sold new for $319 but discounted for $278 and less.  It wasn't the best rug performer sold, due to the whimpy brush, but okay.  Dyson and W*M srubbed it in short order.  W*M scapped it in favor of a 2 year dealer with the HOOVER FUSION [TTI produced] in 2005.  The FUSION was a huge seller for W*M.  Perhaps dyson was pre-empted from reusing the All Carpets due to its contract with W*M.  Sort of like Japan and the DDM.

The DDM DC22 was supposedly launched at the VDTA in Feb 2009 to be a dealer dyson here in the USA.  Best kept secret in the vacuum industry in 2009.  It did a Claud Rains and became invisible.  Did dyson need the money so took the deal with Japan?  Maybe some of the dyson insiders here will say.  Maybe not.

Carmine D.

HARDSELL wrote:

How many times do I tell you?  You have to turn the ORECK on. 

Carmine D.

I suspect that the reason the DDM motor is not widespread is cost.  If they can get fairly good performance from a proven Panasonic motor that costs $50, why switch to an unproven motor that costs considerably more.  Japanese household are willing to pay a premium for small items.  Space is less of an issue in the US, so we would not be willing to pay a premium for a compact vacuum with a special motor.  As others have noted, it's not the suction that is the weakness of the Dysons, it's the brush roll design. 

on the brushroll, one would  think that DYSON would copy a proven design...i mean if it works with what you got..then it works....btw..is the DDM a 1 fan or 2 fan motor for cans only? but i can see some of the american public buying a limited ed....with DDM....some who wont mind the hefty increase....due to the advanced DDM. i mean we are the land of too much power is never enough....slip it in with a shipment.....coming this way anyway..... i also feel that we all can get wrapped up and  wowed by good edgy advertising..a huge budget  ..and look past the unproven part....running straight for the nearest dealer...just cause its new and first of its kind.

Severus wrote:

Hello retardturtle1:

You may know this already so forgive me if I'm being redundant.  The pano motor that Severus speaks about which is installed in dyson's DC07 uprights is a one fan reversed wired pano motor that has been in the US vacuum industry since the early 70's.   Good motor but standard issue.  Not the TOL tri-force pano motor that's used in the TOL pano uprights and canisters.

I don't know what components and in what quantity are in the DDM.  Interestingly, dyson went from one of the least expensive industry sourced standard issue motors for its first upright launch in the USA to a sophisticated esoteric non-standard vacuum industry motor for the DDM.   The timing couldn't be worse in light of the global recession especially in the USA where dyson at one time boasted two thirds of its vacuum market sales.

Carmine D.

The Dyson Digital motor is a one-fan only design. Apparently the fan is curved in three dimensions, design cues came from the aerospace industry, and it is made out of PEEK plastic.

Below Left: Fan & armature close up.        Below Right: exploded view of motor. Note the combined air intake and exhaust cowl. The exhaust air is expelled tangentially.