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DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454


Original Message   Jun 28, 2008 12:41 am

Dyson is in the news frequently and so a dedicated thread.

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This message was modified Aug 2, 2008 by DysonInventsBig



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mole


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Location: earth
Joined: Sep 30, 2007
Points: 783


Reply #385   Dec 10, 2008 3:14 pm
Whats the big deal,who cares, why cant we be friends,why cant we be friends,why cant we be friends,

MOLE

Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900


Reply #386   Dec 10, 2008 3:22 pm
mole wrote:
Whats the big deal,who cares, why cant we be friends,why cant we be friends,why cant we be friends,

MOLE


Because . . .

"They say the best things in life are free
But they can give 'em to the birds and bees.
I want some money, a whole lot of money.
I want some money -- that's all I want."

Wish I'd wrote that.

Venson
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M00seUK


Joined: Aug 18, 2007
Points: 295


Reply #387   Dec 10, 2008 3:30 pm
Venson wrote:
Hi,

Just thought I'd throw this in the mix.  His lordship's heading for court again -- and  the product is not even in the stores yet . . .

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/retailandconsumer/3702987/Sir-James-Dyson-in-High-Court-attempt-to-see-off-rival-vacuum-design.html


'Tis the season to be jolly?

Venson

The subtext to all this would be good to know. I presume that Dyson, having invested in their own 3-stage (level 3 root) cyclone technology, don't want someone else sharing the limelight.
They won the legal case with the Hoover UK 'TriClone' on a strong point - they could demonstrate that blocking one of the cyclones actually improved the performance. It sounds a similar situation with Samsung. But, Samsung had a patent for a three-stage cyclone granted first? Both patents are described as being similar, so if Samsung happened to get there first, with no prior art, what could Dyson's case possibilly be? Or is the comparision that Samsung's 3-stage cyclone doesn't improve separation as dramaticly as Dyson's 3-stage, as thus they don't want them having an unfair marketing advantage?
Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900


Reply #388   Dec 10, 2008 10:32 pm
Question . . . Does Dyson staff it own legal team or retain independent attorneys?

Venson
CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894


Reply #389   Dec 11, 2008 7:00 am
Kenneth J, as a poor engineering student, had a US patent on a ball facilitator wheel long before dyson's DC15 Ball [1996 vice 2003].  But Kenneth J had no product.  He lost his case in court in Washington DC on a legal technicality [thanks to a dyson 'hired' legal team that included New York's best and most expensive 3 name lawyers in 3 piece suits].  Samsung will have a few top notch lawyers too.  See what happens when the playing field is level.  In the meantime, the Japanese vacuum market will be a wasteland for dyson.  Japanese people are very loyal to their own.  Extremely so.  What was dyson thinking?

Hello Venson: 

I suspect dyson has both.  A legal counsel/office in house on the payroll and "hired guns" for the court fights.

Carmine D.

This message was modified Dec 11, 2008 by CarmineD
Venson


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Points: 1900


Reply #390   Dec 11, 2008 8:48 am
CarmineD wrote:

Hello Venson: 

I suspect dyson has both.  A legal counsel/office in house on the payroll and "hired guns" for the court fights.

Carmine D.


Thanks Carmine,

I've been trying to figure out if these frivolous lawsuits (I see them that way) are cost effective for Dyson.  Then again the only way they can be is by winning.

Samsung is of formidable size and doesn't manufacture vacuums alone.  Its flat-screen TVs are getting good ratings and doing well here in the U.S.  Add in popular cell phones and other electronic devices plus household appliances I too think they'll be able to foot the legal bills.

If I were Dyson, I think I'd spend more time trying to move ahead by improving on what it makes and leave the courts alone.  Maybe the Samsung "Silencio" vac series got 'em upset. By the way . . .

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/type/type.do?group=homeappliances&type=vacuumcleaner#

Venson
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HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293


Reply #391   Dec 11, 2008 9:25 pm
Venson wrote:
Thanks Carmine,

I've been trying to figure out if these frivolous lawsuits (I see them that way) are cost effective for Dyson.  Then again the only way they can be is by winning.

Samsung is of formidable size and doesn't manufacture vacuums alone.  Its flat-screen TVs are getting good ratings and doing well here in the U.S.  Add in popular cell phones and other electronic devices plus household appliances I too think they'll be able to foot the legal bills.

If I were Dyson, I think I'd spend more time trying to move ahead by improving on what it makes and leave the courts alone.  Maybe the Samsung "Silencio" vac series got 'em upset. By the way . . .

http://www.samsung.com/uk/consumer/type/type.do?group=homeappliances&type=vacuumcleaner#

Venson


Venson,

Better stock up on Samsung products before Dyson gets his share of their money.  Prices of Samsung goods will likely soar. 

CarmineD


Joined: Dec 31, 2007
Points: 5894


Reply #392   Dec 12, 2008 7:37 am
Hello Venson:

Interestingly, Kenneth J sought legal action against dyson ONLY after his personal petitions to dyson were shunned/ignored.  At least he tried to resolve/settle the matter like a gentleman before seeking court justice [or injustice as the case may be].  Based on the tepid sales response that all the dyson ball models have received in the USA, and the drubbings of DC15 and DC24 at the hands of Consumer Reports [the DC25 has not come up to bat yet in the CR lineup], Kenneth J has definitely received street justice. 

I have to opine that Kenneth J has some personal/professional engineering friends/family at Samsung which despite its total lack of concern about vacuums [with several models of the single stage cyclone variety only], teamed up to file a patent on a triple banger just to bait the litigious dyson into a court room show down.  Knowing full well that regardless of the legal outcome, a lawsuit against Samsung by dyson guarantees that the Japanese vacuum market [the only one for dyson's brushless motor vacuum] will be shut down to all future dyson sales and products.  This hurts dyson more than any one time monetary award against Samsung should dyson win the legal suit.  I'm not sure that a dyson win is a given. 

Then, Kenneth J publishes a book about his legal story.  It will be a best seller.  Mandatory college reading for all US engineering majors and business/economic students.   Have to love the plot:  Unknown US engineering student KO's a world reknown Forbes multi-billionaire company founder/owner over a vacuum ball wheel.  The book's cover will have a picture of a Samsung large screen TV showing James stuck in the mud pushing a ball barrow filled with dyson vacuums. 

Carmine D.

This message was modified Dec 12, 2008 by CarmineD
DysonInventsBig


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Reply #393   Dec 12, 2008 9:04 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello Venson:

Interestingly, Kenneth J sought legal action against dyson ONLY after his personal petitions to dyson were shunned/ignored.  At least he tried to resolve/settle the matter like a gentleman before seeking court justice [or injustice as the case may be].  Based on the tepid sales response that all the dyson ball models have received in the USA, and the drubbings of DC15 and DC24 at the hands of Consumer Reports [the DC25 has not come up to bat yet in the CR lineup], Kenneth J has definitely received street justice. 

I have to opine that Kenneth J has some personal/professional engineering friends/family at Samsung which despite its total lack of concern about vacuums [with several models of the single stage cyclone variety only], teamed up to file a patent on a triple banger just to bait the litigious dyson into a court room show down.  Knowing full well that regardless of the legal outcome, a lawsuit against Samsung by dyson guarantees that the Japanese vacuum market [the only one for dyson's brushless motor vacuum] will be shut down to all future dyson sales and products.  This hurts dyson more than any one time monetary award against Samsung should dyson win the legal suit.  I'm not sure that a dyson win is a given. 

Then, Kenneth J publishes a book about his legal story.  It will be a best seller.  Mandatory college reading for all US engineering majors and business/economic students.   Have to love the plot:  Unknown US engineering student KO's a world reknown Forbes multi-billionaire company founder/owner over a vacuum ball wheel.  The book's cover will have a picture of a Samsung large screen TV showing James stuck in the mud pushing a ball barrow filled with dyson vacuums. 

Carmine D.


... pure fiction.


HARDSELL


Joined: Aug 22, 2007
Points: 1293


Reply #394   Dec 12, 2008 9:58 am
DysonInventsBig wrote:
... pure fiction.


Typical of Carmine.
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