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Acerone


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Dyson AirBlade
Original Message   Dec 12, 2007 5:44 am
Saw the Dyson Airblade commercial for the first time last night. Anyone else seen it yet?
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Airblade


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #38   Nov 22, 2008 10:27 am
CarmineD wrote:
Nice to see you bail out your dyson buddies here.  The dyson man himself to the rescue.

You quoted only the run down data to put the better spin on your product.  As I would expect from a paid dyson employee who sells Airblades nowadays.  Or are you back in the vacuum trenches?

Still drying hands.......

For example where did you come up with 19 seconds.  Absolutely bogus.  Meaningless.  The Xlerator runs up to 35 seconds and dries hands from 10-12 seconds, just like yours.  However, Xlerator is sensor activator for on/off by hand motion.  Gives the edge to Xlerator, not your brand.

The problem here is how do we define dry?  Manufacturers have different definitions of dry hands.  Most companies measure to .3 grams of water remaining on hands, but the National Sanitary Foundation measures to .1 grams of water, a dryer standard.  A COMMON STANDARD HAS BEEN DEVELOPED WHICH WAS NEVER THERE BEFORE.  My numbers come from this standard of testing and are definitely not meaningless and bogus.  BTW, Airblade shuts off after 30 seconds and Airblade is also sensor activated (touchfree)

No microbacterial covering is needed on the Xlerator because unlike the Airblade it doesn't accumulate well waste from the hand washing/drying.   Advantage to Xcelerator.  You mention the NSF approval for Airblade but missed citing the Leeds seal and credits for the Xlerator and Greenspec approval.   Seems a wash to me.  The Xlerator is smaller, lighter, more versatile to mount in conventional public restrooms.  How about yours?  Bigger.  Heavier.  Needs more wall mounting space.  Advanatge to Xlerator. 

There is no water collection method in the Airblade, so you are incorrect here.  Antimicrobial is included in case the machine is touched.  I didn't mention a difference in Leeds and Greenspec, because there is none.  Both machines contribute towards Leeds credits and both are Greenspec listed, as well as Green Restaurant Association approved.  Yes, the Airblade is bigger and heavier.  Being bigger does sometimes lead to mounting issus, but weight is not an issue.

I'm not a paid Xlerator pro so I may have missed some of the technical strengths of the Xlerator and weaknesses of your brand in the industry.  My expertise is vacuums.  Want to go one on one with your brand against another vacuum brand?  I'm your man.  Let me know.  I'm always ready.  Never duck and hide. 

Any reason Westminster Abbey and Wembly Stadium opted for Xlerator rather than your brand?  can't be the warranty.  Both are 5 years.  Was it price?  Is yours still going for $1400 per.  More than the Xlerator?

I have no idea why those two places opted for Xlerator.  Yes, Airblade is more expensive than the Xlerator, and the difference varies case by case.

Carmine D.

DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #39   Nov 22, 2008 10:57 am
CarmineD wrote:
Hello MOLE, Venson:

After several years of trying, the dyson campers still can't find an appliance/market for users of the brushless motor.   Like dyson's contra rotating washer, these inventions bleed real hard for their creators.  Tho, the current economy will certainly speed the company's business cycle along, like it or not.  Recessions [some say depression] force out overpriced brands and products.  Sadly, in such times there are no buyers for these fledgling products and businesses.  They die a painful and slow death. 

Awhile ago I suggested on this thread that dyson divest itself of the hand dryers and focus time/resources on vacuums, its core business. 

 

In the economic conditions dyson will face in the years ahead, he can't afford to hold onto the airblade.  Why?  Let's look at the facts:  It's going on 2 years old.  It costs $840 per unit to produce.  Sells for $1400.  Dyson sold 100,000 units.  Sales are $140,000,000.  Costs $84,000,000.  Profit is $56,000,000.  Not accounting for the 1000 units given away at a cost of $840,000.  On vacuum sales of $4 Billion [estimate for 2007] worldwide annually, who needs the headaches of an added $28 Million a year on a totally unrelated product. 
Divest.  Sell the airblade off to a company which is in the business of restroom facility products.  Cut future airblade losses.  Concentrate on vacuum sales to make up the $28 Million generated per year on the airblades. 

Now, it's probably too late.

Carmine D.


Shutting the doors down to a $28m [net] profit stream and brand is brilliant!     Surely you would also recommend shutting down all development on the newer, smaller, and cheaper Dyson hand dryer (Airblade v.2 ?) that is patent pending.

DIB
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DysonInventsBig


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #40   Nov 22, 2008 11:30 am
To be pelted by fecal bacteria or not...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLu-Fx1Hjio
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M00seUK


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Points: 295

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #41   Nov 22, 2008 11:32 am

Shutting the doors down to a $28m [net] profit stream and brand is brilliant!     Surely you would also recommend shutting down all development on the newer, smaller, and cheaper Dyson hand dryer (Airblade v.2 ?) that is patent pending.

DIB

Any certainties at this stage on a v2? By the way, the model numbers previously seen  AB01, AB02, AB03 appear to related to different models of the original for different regions.
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DysonInventsBig


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #42   Nov 22, 2008 1:04 pm
M00seUK wrote:
Any certainties at this stage on a v2? By the way, the model numbers previously seen  AB01, AB02, AB03 appear to related to different models of the original for different regions.



Moose,
If you look in the European patent office you will see a smaller Dyson hand dryer.

Obviously Dyson took his Airblade cues off the Jet Towel design. That said he ought to (IMO) take his cues from these smaller hand dryers too and build a less complicated, less expensive, smaller (smaller than Xlerator), and non-HEPA, DDM unit too.  He needs (IMO) to build a system down to price unlike his past/current business practices.       DIB
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M00seUK


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #43   Nov 22, 2008 1:23 pm
DysonInventsBig wrote:



Moose,
If you look in the European patent office you will see a smaller Dyson hand dryer.

Obviously Dyson took his Airblade cues off the Jet Towel design. That said he ought to (IMO) take his cues from these smaller hand dryers too and build a less complicated, less expensive, smaller (smaller than Xlerator), and non-HEPA, DDM unit too.  He needs (IMO) to build a system down to price unlike his past/current business practices.       DIB

I've looked for all patents filed in 2008 / 2007 for the word 'drier' and have 6 results, but they all appear to be approximately the same scale as the existing model?
DysonInventsBig


Location: USA
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
Points: 1454

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #44   Nov 22, 2008 1:41 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Here's the low down.  
  • You know I used the Xlerator.  It got the restroom contract at the new casino/hotel in North Las Vegas. 
  • Xlerator took only 10 seconds for drying my hands.  Remember the birthday song.  This equals the Airblade time, which I haven't used, but presume dyson's claim is true.  M00seUK agrees the Xlerator is a powerful unit.   I supect it's due to the air velocity of the Xlerator: 16,000 linear feet per minute at the opening.  What is dyson's?
  • Xlerator's max run time is 35 seconds.  It's called a lockout feature.  What is dyson's?  Xlerator automatically shuts off  after 35 secs if hands are not removed.  I presume the 35 seconds is for them there from your neck of woods who like to bathe in public toilets.  [So they don't use up all the toilet paper]. 
  • Since the Xlerator gets your hands clean after drying, it must do the same for the sink counters and mirrors.  It's undried hands and surfaces, like the deep well in the Airblade, that are bacterial prone, and in need of anti-bacterial covering and cleaning.
  • Don't know why a HEPA filter is needed on anything except a vacuum/air cleaner.  Another case of dyson overengineering.  Like putting b-a-l-l-s on vacuums for wheels.  Gets a notion and voila: It's everywhere. 
  • NSF:  Non-sufficient funds.  Which is what customers get when they buy your overpriced products! 
  • On-site service.  Not a problem with a company that leads the industry for 48 years.  Is a big problem for a novice company with less than 2 years in the idustry.

I have to conclude that Airblade didn't get the sales contracts in the UK/LV because the Xlerator's price and performance flatly out-smoked it.   Left it blowing in the wind.  Especially with Xlerator's smaller weight and size and easier mounting.   Maybe Airblade will come in a slim/lightweight version?  Or perhaps hire more sexy reps?   The housewives didn't work out.  Didn't have any industry knowledge and experience.

What's that sound?  Calling Matt mmc Airblade.  I hear that loud sucking sound.  HARDSELL just fell in the hole with DIB.  Quick!  Toss them some dyson refurbs for floatation devices.  Careful, don't fall in yourself.

Carmine D.


  Falling into a hole that has a $28 million Airblade net, has more appeal than driving off the end of "my world is flat and lets keep it that way".  Carmine, do tell... since you are now an Xlerator expert and/or cheerleader...  Q:  What was the Xlerator manufacturer's net revenue after year 2 in business? - Was it anywhere close to Dyson clearing $28 million (using your numbers)?        DIB
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CarmineD


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Points: 5894

Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #45   Nov 22, 2008 3:46 pm
Hello DIB:

Thanks for the flattery.  I am not an Xlerator anything save a very satisfied and impressed user.  Once we cut through all the chafe [read dyson sales spin] it is crystal clear, even to a six year old, that the Xlerator's features and specs beat your brand.  Add XLerattor's lower price, smaller size, less weight, 48 years of business in the industry, and 16,000 LFM air velocity [What is dyson's Airblade?] and Xlerator blows Airblade out of the water. 

I don't care about Xlerator's profits.  You must remember DIB that for me, money is never the best and final measure of success.  

Carmine D.

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CarmineD


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #46   Nov 22, 2008 4:43 pm
"I have no idea why those two places [Westminster Abbey and Wembly Stadium] opted for Xlerator."

Hello Matt mmc: 
Really!  Sorry to see you print this.  Why?  Not knowing why customers, let alone icons of the UK, by-pass dyson on its own turf and choose a competitor's product, is very very bad for dyson business.  Your job, pardon me for telling you, is to know why and keep it from happening again in the future.  Shame on you.  Shame on dyson.
Carmine D.
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DysonInventsBig


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Re: Dyson AirBlade
Reply #47   Nov 22, 2008 4:54 pm
CarmineD wrote:
Hello DIB:

Thanks for the flattery.  I am not an Xlerator anything save a very satisfied and impressed user.  Once we cut through all the chafe [read dyson sales spin] it is crystal clear, even to a six year old, that the Xlerator's features and specs beat your brand.  Add XLerattor's lower price, smaller size, less weight, 48 years of business in the industry, and 16,000 LFM air velocity [What is dyson's Airblade?] and Xlerator blows Airblade out of the water. 

I don't care about Xlerator's profits.  You must remember DIB that for me, money is never the best and final measure of success.  

Carmine D.


Hello Carmine,

Your judging the Dyson (fill in the blank) ______________ product with the usual anti-Dyson bias. With regards to the Dyson Airblade, you're convinced the average man or woman prefers public restroom hand dryers that blow fecal bacteria at high rate of speed versus the [HEPA] cleaned air Airblade.

Re: Making money
Your quite impressed when Bill Gates uses his profits from predatory and monopolistic practices to finance his so-call “selfless giving".  You go as far as posting the dollar amount of this “selflessness”.

DIB


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