Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

Saw the Dyson Airblade commercial for the first time last night. Anyone else seen it yet?

OK, Here's the rundown...........................

                                                                     Airblade                                         Xlerator

Electric Consumption                                1400W                                         1500W

Dry Time                                                    12 seconds                               19 seconds
(according to NSF P335)

HEPA filter                                                      yes                                                 no

Anti-microbial                                                yes                                                 no

NSF certified                                                  yes                                                 no

Motor                                    DDM - brushless (81,000 RPM)       Brushed motor - 20,000 RPM

Onsite service                                               yes                                                 no

I do know that the Airblade is quieter as well, but not sure what Xcelrator's db rating is with hands inserted.  Let me know if there are any other differences you'd like to know.  Always here to help!!! 

Nice to see you bail out your dyson buddies here.  The dyson man himself to the rescue.

You quoted only the run down data to put the better spin on your product.  As I would expect from a paid dyson employee who sells Airblades nowadays.  Or are you back in the vacuum trenches?

For example where did you come up with 19 seconds.  Absolutely bogus.  Meaningless.  The Xlerator runs up to 35 seconds and dries hands from 10-12 seconds, just like yours.  However, Xlerator is sensor activator for on/off by hand motion.  Gives the edge to Xlerator, not your brand.

No microbacterial covering is needed on the Xlerator because unlike the Airblade it doesn't accumulate well waste from the hand washing/drying.   Advantage to Xcelerator.  You mention the NSF approval for Airblade but missed citing the Leeds seal and credits for the Xlerator and Greenspec approval.   Seems a wash to me.  The Xlerator is smaller, lighter, more versatile to mount in conventional public restrooms.  How about yours?  Bigger.  Heavier.  Needs more wall mounting space.  Advanatge to Xlerator. 

I'm not a paid Xlerator pro so I may have missed some of the technical strengths of the Xlerator and weaknesses of your brand in the industry.  My expertise is vacuums.  Want to go one on one with your brand against another vacuum brand?  I'm your man.  Let me know.  I'm always ready.  Never duck and hide. 

Any reason Westminster Abbey and Wembly Stadium opted for Xlerator rather than your brand?  can't be the warranty.  Both are 5 years.  Was it price?  Is yours still going for $1400 per.  More than the Xlerator?

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:
I'm sorry, I'm missing the point here - what are you meaning?

You didn't miss the point.  You made a bogus point of 19 seconds for drying time.  Xlerator dries hands in 10-15 seconds just like your brand.    You know that as well as I do.  Come on Matt.  If your product is truly better, "flat outsmokes" the Xlerator according to DIB, there's no need to falsify claims and impugn the competition.  Lest you try to bolster your brand.  Be honest.  Stand on the facts and merits.  Not the sales spin.  Nothing you provided remotely says Airblade is better than Xlerator.  Just the opposite.  Xlerator is the industry leader and has been for 48 years and upstaged dyson on its own turf.  Shame on you.  Couldn't even make the dyson sale at Westminster Abbey and Wembly Stadium! 

What else do you have to offer to bail out your dyson buddy from talking snap?  So far you just let him sink deeper into a hole of his own making.

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hello HARDSELL:

Sounds like the Xlerator has gotten you excited.  Let me do some research and get back to you.  Remember I'm not a paid hand dyer pro like Airblade.

BTW, I'm currently using two HOOVER TEMPO-s.  Decided to give my ORECK a well deserved rest for a few weeks after 20 months of daily use and devouring sand.  Taking it out of service.  Why?  I'm going to take it all apart and count the 30 components that it uses.  Trust but verify. 

The $56 and $70 TEMPO-s are doing very well, just like the $150 ORECK does.  Didn't plan on buying two.  But couldn't resist the low price.  The HOOVER TEMPO-s are impressive on my looped wool Mohawk medium pile carpets and berber area rugs.  Two carpet venues that are very problematic for your fave brand.  Consumer Reports is absolutely correct by declaring HOOVER TEMPO a BEST BUY and ranking in the top ten.  I wholeheartedly agree.

Carmine D.

Here's the low down.  

• You know I used the Xlerator.  It got the restroom contract at the new casino/hotel in North Las Vegas. 
• Xlerator took only 10 seconds for drying my hands.  Remember the birthday song.  This equals the Airblade time, which I haven't used, but presume dyson's claim is true.  M00seUK agrees the Xlerator is a powerful unit.   I supect it's due to the air velocity of the Xlerator: 16,000 linear feet per minute at the opening.  What is dyson's?
• Xlerator's max run time is 35 seconds.  It's called a lockout feature.  What is dyson's?  Xlerator automatically shuts off  after 35 secs if hands are not removed.  I presume the 35 seconds is for them there from your neck of woods who like to bathe in public toilets.  [So they don't use up all the toilet paper]. 
• Since the Xlerator gets your hands clean after drying, it must do the same for the sink counters and mirrors.  It's undried hands and surfaces, like the deep well in the Airblade, that are bacterial prone, and in need of anti-bacterial covering and cleaning.
• Don't know why a HEPA filter is needed on anything except a vacuum/air cleaner.  Another case of dyson overengineering.  Like putting b-a-l-l-s on vacuums for wheels.  Gets a notion and voila: It's everywhere. 
• NSF:  Non-sufficient funds.  Which is what customers get when they buy your overpriced products! 
• On-site service.  Not a problem with a company that leads the industry for 48 years.  Is a big problem for a novice company with less than 2 years in the idustry.

I have to conclude that Airblade didn't get the sales contracts in the UK/LV because the Xlerator's price and performance flatly out-smoked it.   Left it blowing in the wind.  Especially with Xlerator's smaller weight and size and easier mounting.   Maybe Airblade will come in a slim/lightweight version?  Or perhaps hire more sexy reps?   The housewives didn't work out.  Didn't have any industry knowledge and experience.

What's that sound?  Calling Matt mmc Airblade.  I hear that loud sucking sound.  HARDSELL just fell in the hole with DIB.  Quick!  Toss them some dyson refurbs for floatation devices.  Careful, don't fall in yourself.

Carmine D.

How much longer is the airblade going to be staying in lineup?

Is it paying off yet, is it worth the effort,is the price causing lackluster sales, are there anymore WORK ORDERS for production and how many units are dead on the warewhouse shelves, I see a sell off coming,

LOWER THE PRICE AND COMPETE WITH THE OTHERS OR ITS GOING THE ROUTE OF THE WASHING MACHINE.

MOLE

Good morning MOLE,

You're right. Why would a business minded contractor or owner of a large venue pay a $1,400 when he can get adequate, if not comparable results from a machine that runs at $800 or even less depending on vendor or quantity ordered? It also appears that the Airblade is not being picked up by many vendors. However, please don't take my word for this. See the following links:

http://www.nextag.com/Xlerator/search-html

http://www.nextag.com/dyson-airblade/compare-html

Best,

Venson

Hello MOLE, Venson:

After several years of trying, the dyson campers still can't find an appliance/market for users of the brushless motor.   Like dyson's contra rotating washer, these inventions bleed real hard for their creators.  Tho, the current economy will certainly speed the company's business cycle along, like it or not.  Recessions [some say depression] force out overpriced brands and products.  Sadly, in such times there are no buyers for these fledgling products and businesses.  They die a painful and slow death. 

Awhile ago I suggested on this thread that dyson divest itself of the hand dryers and focus time/resources on vacuums, its core business. 

CarmineD wrote April 5, 2008: 

Now, it's probably too late.

Carmine D.