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First upright from Miele

29 February 2008 This summer, Miele will launch its first range of upright vacuum cleaners – the S7.  It will consist of about six models, all of which feature ultra large dust bags and  “a unique swivel body, which makes it easy to manoeuvre in even the trickiest  of room layouts”. According to the company,  the decision was made following  numerous requests from customers that wanted to buy Miele  but would only use  an upright model. Text: courtesy ERTweekly.com Picture: courtesy Miele.co.uk, 2009 Edited 21st March 2009; reason: loss of original image.

CarmineD wrote:
Carmine,

We can argue who invented the shroud that is common place today, true.  Although mechanically the Health-More shroud cannot be demonstrated as having Dyson shroud benefits which is necessary and used by the global players today.

The Hoover Fusion (and its rebranding) use more-or-less a scaled down Health-Mor shroud which proves NOT to have Dyson shroud benefits.  The Fusion is demonstrated weekly on HSN and this conical shroud proves (weekly) to be an outright disaster (for user and for filtering).

DIB

Fusion on HSN...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th0sGJfUVx4

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

The mere fact that the FUSION, 3 years after it's launch, still maintains its original MSRP of $119 on HSN, is a testament to its popularity.  Even after Consumer Reports!  BTW, it's time to update with the MACH 3-4-5-6, the FUSION successors.

Recall that Wal*Mart [and Sam's Club] contracted with HOOVER for the FUSION after Wal*Mart and dyson had its falling out.  HOOVER sourced the FUSION to VAX [TTI] to use the HOOVER name.  The FUSION/+ were produced and marketed quickly in the Summer of 2005 for $119.  One of WM's best vacuum sellers of all time. 

Three years after the FUSION, the bagless brands' shrouds have gotten even better while the prices are 1/4 to 1/2 that of dyson.  Consumers get the bagless benefits/technology [as you call it] for less with the knock-offs like the MACH-s, Whisper-s, BISSELL Healthy Home-s, etc.  Dyson gave all the competition enough time to produce less expensive knock-offs and market in all the big box retail stores.  With hard economic times into the foreseeable future, the knock-offs will sell more and dysons won't.  Especially at the big box retail stores with inexperienced store staffs that can't sell the high priced dysons like the expert independent vacuum store owners/operators.

Carmine D.

Carmine,

I’m glad you agree.  The Health-Mor conical shield or screen simply fails compared to the self-cleaning Dyson screen (shroud),

Dyson created an entirely new market (low w/ high efeicency cyclonic) and has since found himself competing against his own technologies (the Dual Cyclone and multi-cyclone).  And as illustrated, (the Fusion) the conical is comical and complete rubbish.

DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DIB:

Before you pat yourself on the back because I agree with just one of your observations, don't ignore the rest of my post.  The shrouds AND performance of today's bagless upright dyson knock-offs like the VAX, MACH, Whisper and BISSELL Healthy Home are just as good as dyson, IMHO.  These makes/models are considerably less expensive than dysons.   AND the reason these knock-offs are multiplying and selling at all the big box retail stores while dysons are sitting on the shelves collecting dust. 

MIELE on the contrary MAY fare much better than dyson with the new S7 line in big box retail stores.  Why?  What is the high end vacuum bagged competition for MIELE in the bb retail stores?  AND,  MIELE has an established name and rep for vacuums and household appliances.  Consumers know the value of the MIELE brand name.  It sells itself.  MIELE-s don't need an expert vacuum sales person to demo and close the MIELE sale at a big box store, like is the case with a $400 plus dyson.  Typically, MIELE vacuum customers are repeat MIELE buyers and pass down/gift away the old MIELE.  No need for trade-in.  Dyson?  I've not heard the repeat buy stats.  Do you know what they are?

Carmine D.

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Carmine,

You do the rope-a-dope when you're put on the spot. I have never backed down from yours or Moles baiting. I like a challenge. Sometimes I have to think for a while before answering the “bait”. But I do answer. And sometimes I do not have the free time to answer the many statements, but I try to “go after” the most pertinent or something I have an answer to. Hey, you never answered my CR question of... Is Consumer Reports (w/ vacuum testing) Science, Laughable or both?

The many variations of Dyson technologies that have been reversed engineered or copied (Dyson’s many expired patents) are indeed successful; in dollars, in sales and in the eyes of the end users. Dyson will need to re-think his floating nozzle arrangement if he wants to out-perform his own technologies (used by competing manufacturers) at Consumer Reports, Which and Better Homes and Gardens (they do their own testing too).

The Miele “swivel” launching[?] at Best Buy is an obvious attempt to siphon off or profit from Dyson proving out another segment... the Dyson “steerable’s”. Like leeches, Miele and Hoover Uk wait for Dyson to spend the big money on television advertising and only then do they launch their swivels. Dyson invented steerable’s, Miele and Hoover UK have unpatentable swivelables.


DIB

DysonInventsBig wrote:

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

I was at a BEST BUY store here in Las Vegas and did not see/hear of the new MIELE S7 launch.  May be due to the fact that the Appliance Associate at BB relocated from another department and is just learning the ropes.  Also of note since my visit in April 2008, the floor space for vacuums is substantially downsized.  And all the display vacuums, which have been significantly culled since my last visit, are plugged in and ready for buyers to use. 

MIELE is a top tier bagged, high end, premium made vacuum with a well known reputation for German made quality.   The vacuum industry agrees that MIELE-s last on an average of 20 years.  If and when MIELE S7 makes a presence in BEST BUY stores, and any others, it should sell itself with little or no need for the sales staff intercessions. 

Carmine D.

Hi Guys:

If your facts were right, you wouldn't need to fight........

But alas, all the untruths you tell, are as old and bad as ........H-E-double hockey sticks. 

Carmine D.

CarmineD wrote:

Hello DIB:

I was at a BEST BUY store here in Las Vegas and did not see/hear of the new MIELE S7 launch.  May be due to the fact that the Appliance Associate at BB relocated from another department and is just learning the ropes.  Also of note since my visit in April 2008, the floor space for vacuums is substantially downsized.  And all the display vacuums, which have been significantly culled since my last visit, are plugged in and ready for buyers to use. 

MIELE is a top tier bagged, high end, premium made vacuum with a well known reputation for German made quality.   The vacuum industry agrees that MIELE-s last on an average of 20 years.  If and when MIELE S7 makes a presence in BEST BUY stores, and any others, it should sell itself with little or no need for the sales staff intercessions. 

Carmine D.

I am always amused when people talk of European quality.  All they have to do is over price their products and Americans assume it is the best. 

HARDSELL wrote:

Hello HS:

Ironic that a former dyson user like yourself should raise this point.  It's a good point and not necessarily attributed to Americans alone.  Japanese buyers are notorious for this misconception and they are big spenders on new gadgets and gimmickry.  To your credit my friend you didn't buy your dyson.  It was a gift you used for several years and then sold.

Price high, use subtle comparisons with veteran industry leaders, throw in a false claim, maybe a new gimmick and voila: The makings of an excellent product marketing strategy.  Especially for new brands/products that don't have a track record.  

However, if the present global economic malaise doesn't, time/experience will correct the misguided perceptions.  The reality sets in and the erroneous notions disappear.  Consumers are stuck with fair to average performing products for years because of their high prices [and their gullibility].   

MIELE has a well deserved reputation for quality canisters.  No doubt the German engineering and fastidiousness to the minor seemingly unimportant details [like the bags and filters].  Time will tell if this translates and transfers to its new line of uprights.

Carmine D.