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Venson
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Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Original Message Apr 29, 2008 10:31 am |
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Hi all, Following is a link to a news article regarding the up and down sides for Electrolux during this year's first quarter. http://www.centredaily.com/business/technology/story/553091.html Best, Venson |
Trilobite
Joined: Nov 7, 2007
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #97 May 26, 2008 6:16 pm |
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Hey Carmine, I’m going to ask not to be used as a reference (although I did say a lawsuit was plausible) on any future pie throwing posts. FYI, I happen to like your challenges and I appreciate what Motorhead contributes here, especially Dyson. Thanks. The reason we saw only 1 manufacturer knock off Dyson LTD’s innovations is due to James Dyson’s resolve and using the courts (lawsuits) to define/remind others what belongs to him. The courts and news reports punished Hoover Candy terribly over them stealing James’s intellectual property. – This sent a message loud and clear to the vacuum manufacturing industry. Only after the Dual Cyclone patents expired did Hoover Candy, and Bissell copy James’ Dual Cyclone. Hoover U.S. gambled on producing a vacuum using near expired Dyson Dual Cyclone patents, which may or may not have been money up or not much money up for them. I think Hoover/Mayag lost on this lazy gamble in the short and long term. Why? Great ideas come from outside inventors, not just employed engineers. What outside inventor will be stupid enough to trust a willful thief? DIB
But Hoover/Candy do not use the dual cyclone set-up. They use a single cyclone and pleated filters.
Hoover/Candy got its knuckles rapped over the 'Triple Vortex', which was shown to be a variation of the dual cyclone set-up, with an involute vortex separator. Hoover was thus banned from using the technology for an extra year beyond when the other manufacturers could use it. However, Hoover had already moved onto the single cyclone + pleated filter arrangement, as used in the 'Vortex Power', 'Hurricane', 'Whirlwind', and 'Dust Manager', and 'The One'.
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DysonInventsBig
I support inventors.
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #98 May 26, 2008 7:40 pm |
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But Hoover/Candy do not use the dual cyclone set-up. They use a single cyclone and pleated filters. Hoover/Candy got its knuckles rapped over the 'Triple Vortex', which was shown to be a variation of the dual cyclone set-up, with an involute vortex separator. Hoover was thus banned from using the technology for an extra year beyond when the other manufacturers could use it. However, Hoover had already moved onto the single cyclone + pleated filter arrangement, as used in the 'Vortex Power', 'Hurricane', 'Whirlwind', and 'Dust Manager', and 'The One'. Trilobite, Yes, your right! One can get a little lost keeping up with - who stole Dyson intellectual property, who’s copying Dyson intellectual property before its patent/s expired, who’s copying Dyson’s expired intellectual property, who helped Hoover U.S successfully keep and use Dyson’s un-expired intellectual property in the Hoover v. Dyson countersuit. It’s Vax, and not Hoover Candy who I was thinking of that is using expired Dyson intellectual property and not Hoover Candy. Thanks. DIB . P.S. Talk about lazy.... Vax even stole James’ tag he created and/or made famous. - “No Loss of Suction”. 
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #99 May 27, 2008 7:31 am |
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I wish DYSON would stop destroying the high end vacuum market. MOLE Hello Mole et al: The local Fry's Electronics advertised new DC07 All Carpets on clearance/closeout for $299 for Memorial Day. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #100 May 27, 2008 7:40 am |
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. P.S. Talk about lazy.... Vax even stole James’ tag he created and/or made famous. - “No Loss of Suction”.
But Vax trumped dyson by upping its warranty [parts and labor] on new vacuums to 6 years!
Carmine D.
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M00seUK
Joined: Aug 18, 2007
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #101 May 27, 2008 8:12 am |
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But Vax trumped dyson by upping its warranty [parts and labor] on new vacuums to 6 years! Carmine D. Yeah, they *surely* would have offered 6 years, even if the market leader didn't offer 5!  I don't know, but I'd be of the presumption that the quality of the VAX after sales support wouldn't be a patch on Dyson's.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #102 May 27, 2008 8:21 am |
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I don't know, but I'd be of the presumption that the quality of the VAX after sales support wouldn't be a patch on Dyson's.
Hi M00seUK:
I think most vacuum buyers who shop the big box retail stores for their vacuums don't know and/or care about the difference in service support. The warranty period is an up front selling feature in their minds and pocket minds. Much like any other feature intrinsic to the vacuum. Carmine D.
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CarmineD
Joined: Dec 31, 2007
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #103 May 27, 2008 8:24 am |
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One can get a little lost keeping up with - who stole Dyson intellectual property, who’s copying Dyson intellectual property before its patent/s expired, who’s copying Dyson’s expired intellectual property, who helped Hoover U.S successfully keep and use Dyson’s un-expired intellectual property in the Hoover v. Dyson countersuit. It’s Vax, and not Hoover Candy who I was thinking of that is using expired Dyson intellectual property and not Hoover Candy. Thanks. DIB
Hello DIB:
I'm getting ready to write my Congressional representatives about this matter. I'm going to propose an intellectual property rights' tax. My sense is that it will be an excellent source of revenue. I'm surprised that it has not been thought of and proposed already. Now, if I can only figure out a way to get a percentage of the revenues collected from the tax! Rather than a flag that has flown over the Capitol! Show me the money! Carmine D.
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Severus
Joined: Jul 31, 2007
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #104 May 27, 2008 10:27 am |
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Carmine,
It's no wonder that we have such a large trade deficit with the Chinese. While we tend to pay for their products, they have a bad tendency to steal/copy our software, movies, and any and all intellectual property that they can get their hands on. The Chinese also make it impossible to sue their companies by setting up enormous hurdles and mazes of government regulations. I don't know how anyone can call it "free trade" with a straight face.
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DysonInventsBig
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Re: Electrolux -- First Quarter 2008 . . .
Reply #106 May 27, 2008 1:27 pm |
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