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kelizabeth


Joined: Jan 7, 2008
Points: 2

sand
Original Message   Jan 7, 2008 9:25 pm
I am trying to help my son's preschool (we're a co-op) select the best vacuum.  Everyday lots and lots and lots of sand makes its way into our classroom.   The sand has laid to rest an expensive Oreck in less than a year and a lower priced bagless clocks its demise at 18 months.  I lent them my miele canister for a couple of days to see if the teachers like it.  Is a canister the best and if so which one?  Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. 
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Venson


Joined: Jul 23, 2007
Points: 1900

Re: sand
Reply #14   Jan 10, 2008 6:34 pm

Mike,

If this is leading to a one-sided judgement call as to who's insight is worthy to be heard, how can you presume to make a spot-on determination when you know extremely little about me? We haven't shared much here. The same as any other poster on the site, I am just a name with no face espousing what I claim to have come to know. Because I do believe in the right of what I say, I do make it a rule to use my real name -- Venson Thomas -- instead of an online monicker so there's never need to doubt about who said what and when when time comes to answer.

Most unfortunately, and believe me I could have used the help, you were not there when I too put in my share of time in sweeping, mopping and vacuum pushing plus even breakfast, lunch and dinner prep for pay -- and good pay too I must say. And I made my money off knowing what effective path to follow without instruction or prompting in household and commercial situations. I never got the equivalent of a Purple Heart for what I see as exemplary effort but if need arises I'd be more than happy to submit a picture of the hernia scar I got at sweet sixteen from swinging a mop in a school where I worked if that will raise me in your estimation.

But all things considered, you know the best part of my experience is having been taught early on that the show can still go on even without aid of a vacuum cleaner, fancy devices and expensive cleaning potions. Due to good old Aunt Lucy, I subsequently became able to do the job on windows without having to run to the store for Windex, put a glow on brass with lemon juice and salt and can even whip up my own mayonnaise. Sorry folks, I'm not lookiing for work but am highly pleased with what I've learned and am confident in the offering of it.

I would have it made clear that just because I may collect vacuums and/or buy them as suits my feeling in a given moment, there's no neccessity to assume that I am a frivolous person or am inclined to regard them as toys OR use them for play. Vacuums have been a long time in my realm of interest and I take the whole thing -- design, effectiveness and usability -- quite seriously. The world is full of people with bright ideas and notions with nothing to back them up. That being so, I have always felt I'd better know what I'm talking about if I'm going to go around being "helpful". Thus I long ago decided to put my money where my mouth is. The best way to do that is to get stuff in the house and try it for myself. Yes, I have vacuums old and new but the new ones have been put through their paces. And guess what? I bear the expense of the learning adventure all by myself. No one is giving me anything and despite the expense it takes to keep up with what's going on, my advice comes free and it's pretty good.

My Nilfisk 80 was employed here at the office for at least two good years and put to all sorts of tasks which it met quite well. At the end of that time it was given, not sold, to a laundry near my home. Though the user had a hard time grasping, "What goes in must come out," the worst of the machine's problem was a worn power cord.

Having been lucky to see not a lot but a little as far away as Turkey, I found Nilfisk in use in a good number of hotels and other venues. The power nozzle was not a popular item there nor was plush carpeting. Though I have never claimed the Nilfisk to be the be all, end all vacuum, I found no place where the straight sucton Nilfisk did not provide a good result. Uprights are very nice but life can and does go on without them. I am happy with that attitude.

In any event, if you do not share that feeling I will in no way be or feel diminished by that and am thoroughly accepting of your right and privilege to feel so. However, I do take umbrage at opinion base on assumption where I'm concerned. I was raised to know that this was a highly improper thing to do and therefore expect that others recognize the same in my regard.

Thanks,

Venson

This message was modified Jan 10, 2008 by Venson
Vacuuman


The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of low price is forgotten.

Location: Denver
Joined: Aug 15, 2007
Points: 82

Re: sand
Reply #15   Jan 14, 2008 3:11 am
Mike_W wrote:
Reggie;

The above mentioned machines that I listed will do just fine.  The worst one will be the Sanitaire, but like I said, it can be repaired quickly and inexpensively.  The clean air uprights are not going do as well as the "fan-first" uprights w/sand.  The original poster is concerned w/sand.

I believe that the Nilfisk is not needed in this situation.  It is too expensive for a Co-op.  Replacement parts/supplies are expensive also. 


I just have to add, I am Reggie, not this other guy.

But my recommendation would with a clean air as well tho, not just for sand, but also for the fact that in most commercial multi-user environments that people tend to not be careful of what they suck up.  A clean air system is less likely to be damaged by picking up coins, smallish toys etc., where a direct air fan can be easily broken.  I would also say that clean air systems can do just as well on sand as a direct air machine.  At work, I demo all kinds of vacuums to customers, most of them being clean air.   When I demo a machine, I always make a mess of kapok and sand for them to vacuum up.  Almost all vacuums will pick up the sand very well.

Now as for what specific vacuum I would recommend, I recommend a Windsor Sensor or Sebo G1.  I have personally sold the Sebo version to several commercial places and seen them used in day care situations, they hold up very well and need no repairs other than the occasional unclog and replacement of the brushroll (as the bristles will wear out).  These are all user serviceable with the Sebo and need no tools to do it.  Another important thing to remember is the belt.  When you are picking up large amounts of sand like dirt you really need good, constant agitation to help it get picked up, with a Sebo that uses a geared belt, so the brush is always turning at the same speed.  The belt is also permanent and never needs changed.  I personally think that if they give this machine a chance, they will see that it will clean very well and need less service.  The added cost (a couple hundred more than a Sanitaire, close in price to the Royal) of this vacuum will easily make up for its self in fewer repairs and longer life.  This is just my personal and professional opinion
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