Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

The LG Komprssor fails to live up to it's own hype.

http://www.current.com.au/2007/11/14/article/TNVOCYNOAX.html

 

http://www.asa.org.uk/asa/adjudications/Public/TF_ADJ_43432.htm

 

LG video ad – http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1562197233155322442&q=lg+compressor&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

 

LG Komprssor dumping contents video - http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4611387694393452897&q=lg+compressor&total=2&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

 

 

LG Kompressor - Australia…

http://www.lge.com.au/kompressor/

 

DIB

Hi Venson, We just might have the next IVENTION coming out soon [THE NEW FLOOR MOP AND BROOM WITH CYCLONIC CLEANING ACTION].Interested in bankrolling the R-D for us.

Happy Holidays.

Stay well.

MOLE/O.T.

Venson,

Hello.  There was no lawsuit (I think this is what you were saying Dyson used to stop LG from making false claims), just a complaint by Dyson and the ASA agreed here.  The next big step/invention/innovation/problem that needs solving is, amongst others, the eliminating of the dust plume when empting a “bagless canister”.  Multi-million and multi-billion dollar corporations have not figured/invented a no-dust-when-empting-the-bin contraption.  So what gives LG the right to lie and say they invented the fix, therefore consumers should not purchase any other makers vacuum just their LG Kompresor – “the dust free system/invention”.  I say good for Dyson or Joe Blow.  I do not care who or whom speaks up and says LG is intentionally lying.  Again the $1.2 billion dollar “David” fell the $38.5 billion “Goliath”.  Lesson learned, LG should actually invent a dust free dumping system versus claiming they invented a dust free dumping system.  Shame, shame LG.  After looking at their tv commercial frame by frame here.  The actor in the commercial who is dumping his LG bins contents has NO DUST WHAT SO EVER inside the high efficiency collection chamber.  One, two, three, four or five vacuumings and no dust in these chambers means LG cleaned this chamber before filming so little or no dust plume is seen in the commercial therefore intentionally and knowingly advertised a lie.        DIB

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For those outside this forum/group who want to empty their Dyson’s without getting dusty…

• Use a plastic bag when empting the bins contents as per the Dyson manual.  Or...
• Place an upright, opened paper bag on the ground outdoors.  Put your cyclone/bin into this bag and keep ½” above bag/floor.  Press drop away door trigger.  Notice no dust or minimal dust plume.  Lift and slightly shake slowly lifting and dropping/empting the contents (dirt). That’s it.  If breezy then do this upwind.  It is not a “green” solution but it works.

Hi DIB,

Your effort I thank you for but I am just plain tired of claims and prolonged debates re claims of "no loss of suction,"no dust whatsoever," not to mention cylcones and whirlwinds everywhere from everybody.  You can throw in the sanitizing power of UV lights that no one will ever learn to apply properly for dust mite elimination -- unless it's employed in some sort timed robotic device.  Hello Roomba?

Neither company in contention, has a mouth that's a prayer book. It is not necessarily up to LG to come up with a solution -- just because the claim it made fell flat.  Let Dyson get on the band wagon too.  I don't see a solution for this coming any time soon.  Unfortunately, methods like compression of the dry contents of the dustbin plus a prescribed amount of moisture to inhibit loose dust from flying just prior to emptying would like prove as much a chore and annoyance to deal with for the average user.

There's not a manufacturer, even of machines I  like, that can be painted in a saintly shade.  It should be admitted that bagless vacuums and bagged vacuums with certain types of bags will provide annoyance and nuisance come time to empty and that these same machines are probably not a good fit for those with allergies or high sensitivity to household dust. 

That said, having long in a world with a myriad of vacuum cleaners, all purported to broach all matter of the same old problems in "special" ways, the bottom line is, can the darn things clean and contain what they clean.  No matter whether the machine requires a ritual to get it up and going or can just be snatched out of the closet and good to go, what's the result? Good or bad?  To be or not to be," is still not the question.  "Can you do it the way I like when I want it done," is. 

If a given vacuum can merely produce satisfying results for its owner, the world is a happy place even at the cost of a snootful of dust now and then.

Venson

Since bagless vacuum manufacturers suggest emptying their dust bins into a bag why doesn't someone invent a vacuum that has a bag attached to the dust bin!

Venson wrote:

In regards to bagless vacuums being unhealthy for those with health problems the hazard goes further than just emptying them. As you vacuum, dust escapes from the seals, power cords etc. Spewing dust into the air in your home. Dyson included. Even if your vacuum has a bag and says HEPA filter, unless you have a "sealed system" like a Miele, Simplicity or a few Sanitaire models you will have air leakage.

Lucky1 wrote:
Dust escapes from the power cords, huh??!?!?!?  Where do you get your information?  I'm cracking up at that one.

I've said this before and I'll say it again.  It is the user who controls how much dust a bagless vacuum stirs up on emptying.  If it is emptied PROPERLY (meaning not just "dumping it"), the "dust cloud" will be drastically reduced if not eliminated altogether.  And yes, it can be done, the dust just has to be "poured" out, and if there's a trapdoor on the bin, you have to hold it and let it empty out slowly.  Dumping it out with force is just begging for a dust cloud, as well as the coughing and gagging that results ;-)

As you said, if it is not a self-sealing bag, a bagged machine has an equal opportunity to cause a dust cloud.  One of the reasons why I try to fold the fill tube or collar inward before putting it in the trash.

-MH

And the next way of bin emptying will even be easier,take the bin off your DYSON,drive down the highway, open your drivers window hit the trigger and get the drivers behind you all pissed off.

 MOLE

Lucky1 wrote:

It's been done and even better.   No need to dump the bin into a bag.  It's done automatically.  And called a vacuum cleaner with a bag.    Beats all the nonsense to avoid the hassle to dump and the residual dirt and dust clouds spewing into the air and all over.  And no pet hairs remaining stuck to the bin and bin components, like the shroud, after dumping.

I recall watching a dyson video at one of the large retailers showing the user dumping the dirt bin on a DC07.  Clever videoing.   Firstly, the bin was not full, not even half, not even one quarter.  Secondly, the user held the bin over the waste pail at a very small angle to allow the dirt to cascade slowly down the dyson dirt bin into the pail.  [A previous poster on this thread called this dumping method the "pouring" technique. ]  Finally, as soon as the dust cloud emerged from the pail [using the pouring technique], the video panned away to avoid the dirt/dust cloud.   I suppose you can have a "mistter" built into the pail which is activated by a dust sensor that will spray water over the contents to keep from spewing back into the air.    That's been done already too.  It's called a Rexair/Rainbow and makes mud.  Is it any wonder that CR and all doctors with patients who are sensitive to dirt/dust vehemently advise against bagless vacuums?  The answer is a resounding "No."

I recall seeing a dyson dirt bin dumped with no after effects when watching James Dyson do it.  He was demoing a brand new DC15 Ball at the NBC studios as part of a nationwide news report and coverage of the vacuum's launch.  The news studio office was brand new with new low pile carpet.  The DC15 picked up nothing after several passes by James.  When James removed the bin for dumping, NOTHING came out.   Not only was there no dust cloud, there was nothing period!   My sense is that dyson would have preferred if the dust cloud would have appeared, at least it would have given the viewers an indication that the DC15 picked up something.

Carmine D.

Lucky1 wrote:

If Dyson’s leak dust as you claim, then why do researchers give him the “Asthma Friendly” seal of approval?  Dyson's do not leak dust under normal circumstances.  I'm not linking in hopes to convert the vacuum hardcore types but I do encourage all folks who simply want to know about Dysons (before making a vacuum purchase) to look at the research.        DIB

 

• Canada:
• http://www.asthmafriendly.ca/canada_certification.html
• http://www.asthmafriendly.ca/canada_home.html
• http://www.asthmafriendly.ca/fileadmin/pdf/Press_Releases/Canada/afcertification-en-07.pdf
• United States:
• http://asthmaandallergyfriendly.com/vacuumcleaners.html
• http://www.aafa.org/display.cfm?id=10&sub=28&cont=386

• New Zealand:
• http://www.asthmanz.co.nz/dyson.php