Vacuum Cleaners Discussions

I was told at the event that Dyson files 200 patents a day!!  Sounds alot but with all the projects and continual improvements they are working on probably is average for them!

DC18

Who authored this story?  I don't see a name/person associated with it.  And I don't see it credited to a worldwide news service like AP. 

Carmine D. 

Carmine D.

Hello M00seUK

But is it true?  I would suggest that a press release usually credits the news source/service to avoid allegations of plagiarism and fault in the event of misrepresentations of facts and events.  This does not.  Looks like a paid advertisement to me.

Interesting reads do not necessarily equate with truth and facts.  There is a distinction between news [facts/truth] and product advertising.  In this particular case, I would ask to see the underlying details for some of the grandiose statements made in the guise of news [read facts/truth of interest to most readers].  This is boastful dyson advertising, spin and sales puffing.  Not truth and facts relevant to newsworthy events.  As such, it is in the fairest sense of the word "advertising" and not news reporting.  This is not the latter by any stretch of the imagination.  It is the former [advertising] sprinkled with some dyson/China news.  My view.  Who cares?  If it were an advertisment, I'd skip over it. 

Again, kudos to dyson for giving the 'appearance' of news for its product advertising.  Most readers especially those who cotton to everything dyson will quote these advertising claims as the gospel in one breadth and impugn and slander Consumer Reports in the other.  It's the gospel [good news], but the gospel according to jaydee.  Is that good news?  Maybe for jaydee fans.  Not me.  I want facts.  Not puffing.

Some like me would maintain and with good cause that advertising under a veil of news reporting is on par and/or worse than product 'bashing.'  Why?  It is deceptive, false, misleading and disingenuous.  [The latter--bashing--is not  the same as a factual and objective checklist of comparative features and specifications among two or more products [same brand and/or competitor brands] to present customers with facts and information for their product purchases.  "Bashing' in the dictionary sense of the word.  Compare the dictionary definitions of news, facts, and truth with that of advertising, spin, claims and buffing.  The differences are easy to understand and self-explanatory.  Never the twain shall meet.  Except in dyson ads.

Carmine D.   

I just think it appears that Dyson's PR have issued a press release indicating that they're planning to launch in China soon. This had been picked up by a reporter for this 'Sina' web site, who have seemingly published it almost word for word. I used to work for a news gathering agency - we collected two pieces of information for each news item 1-Content (i.e. the press release) 2-The analysis. We'd then categorise it so that our subscribers could find it. Imagine if (say) a TV magazine just published page after page of press releases from the networks... boring!

M00seUK:

We have a wonderful saying here in the US and I like it:  Just the facts, please.  IMHO keep the fluff.  But China being what it is, dyson has the perfect [read no regard for standards] venue for pushing the advertising envelope as newsworthy events and facts.

Carmine D.

It seems to me that no one really wants to work for them,please feel free to look at jobs they offer on their u.s.a website[under job opportuities at dyson].

What they offer are slave labor rates.

And you dont have to know anything about the business,because anyone that knows the business knows what a overpromised and underdeliver to the consumer they are.

MOLE

I'll share my personal experiences with the open positions for employees at many of the Casinos/Hotels in Las Vegas.  The mainstay of employment in LV aside from construction and retail positions is gambling and the support services: Such as waitresses, bartenders [which I am certified to be here in LV] card dealers, cooks, servers, cleaning staff, and so on.  The open positions that are advertised are rarely if ever filled by applicants who submit their resumes.  They are filled from within by persons already on board and looking for career advancement, and/or WORD OF MOUTH recommendations by current employees for friends, relatives, and family members. 

I have met a number of dyson reps who are housewives who used dysons [women are probably the major target market for dyson vacuums].  And they petitioned dyson as a satisfied customer and user of dyson products for employment and were hired. 

I know that the majority of the line workers at the dyson Malaysia plant who produce the dyson products are contractors and subcontractors of dyson and not dyson employees.  Why?  Cheaper to hire and fire.  Best and lowest bidder gets the work.

Carmine D.

Airblade,

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The little bit I’ve read at Dyson and Monster, Dyson looks good and dare I say fun, nice benefits too.  The part-timer starts out at $15 per hr.  Not bad.        DIB

That's more than a substitute teacher makes an hour in Las Vegas!  And probably most areas around the country. 

Carmine D.

The last one I met [dyson rep] at a SEARS store here in Las Vegas about 6 months ago was such a dyson rep.  No previous vacuum experience except as a housewife.  She has been replaced since by another woman.  One of the biggest complaints that the store staff had with her was the need to teach her about the current competition and the inherent dyson products' shortcomings.  Apparently, I'm told, she got neither during her dyson training as a dyson product rep. 

Carmine D. 

• Perhaps James Dyson biggest contribution…  his school (is ok'ed).  Here
• The DC24 “Motorhead” coming to Japan and a hinting - "In addition to vacuum cleaners, Dyson said he plans to introduce a new electrical appliance in Japan but declined to elaborate...  Here
• Dyson has a DC24 flash movie that's new on the front page of his Japanese site.  Here

Dyson on t.v. late tonight/early tomorrow morning.  A silly show called “Big” where everyday items are made very large.  This show on the Discovery Channel HD (a rerun) is about making a DC07 (world record) Big.  Dyson sent an engineer named Simeon Jupp to aid a group of builders.  Simeon was one of the few who worked with James in his back yard in the early days and before his success.  Simeon like James comes off as a nice guy unlike what the “Angry and/or Jealous of Dyson Zealots” posters here may believe.        DIB

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http://dhd.discovery.com/tv-schedules/series.html?paid=66.12344.24739.4083.x

About the size and color of big bird without the feathers.

Carmine D.

Moose,

Thanks for posting.  I just read the 2006 article and was happy to see Dyson had place 500 of the 600 manufacturing jobs after his plant closure.  Dyson received much bad press for the 600 job losses.  It seems the team responsible for making clear what actually happened, i.e., 100 jobs lost and not the much reported 600 is the same team responsible for announcing Dyson’s newest breakthrough technologies  Root + Core = Seven years of no suction loss (per the Dyson Japan launch event)/no maintence, no pre-motor filter cleaning.        DIB

James recently made an audio podcast for TimesOnline.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/related_reports/business_ideas/

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Uk guys:  Ranked 20th - Peter Jones was a judge here in the US on the t.v. show American Inventor.  He came off as real nice guy, fair but tuff when needed.  It was good to see a super wealthy and successful man treat the small guys/contestants the way he did.        DIB

Interestingly, this was a flaw frequently reported by Which? but so far has escaped Consumer Reports.  The latter could be due to the relative short period of time for dyson repairs [6 years].  Tho I suspect the August 15 2006 dyson warranty extension to 5 years will satisfy dyson buyers on the hose problem [assuming they find a authorized dealer to service under warranty/don't mind returing to dyson for replacement].  What is the hose price over the counter?  $50-$60?

Carmine D.

How did you make a living before Dyson?

Why not tell us how many other brands you work on.  Better yet, I bet you tell the customer that the cost of repair exceeds the value of the vacuum.  You then sell them a brand a new vac,

Hi H.S., nice for you to chime in, We are not a one or two line sales and service centers,we can repair and find parts for almost any cleaner out there.From a belt for a dirt devil 103 hand vac to a control module for a nutone cv 850 twin motor central vacuum system.We do O.K., we have never told a customer that their unit is not worth fixing unless it's been run over or in a fire.I got news for you the repair aspect of the business is where we really excel,were not your standard issue vacuum shop.We dont have to cheat or lie just to make a living,I can even been seen in public in the daytime and not have people give me DIRTY looks...........

MOLE

Hi Carmine the dyson hoses sell for 29.95,we buy in bulk.........

Hello Mole:

Cheap for a $500 vacuum.  Do you have customers asking for dyson vacuums by name?  If so, what do you do tell them when they ask.

I mentioned my experience above with retailers and dyson buyers.  I should also say that more and more retailers tell me they encounter vacuum customers who refuse to buy any dyson vacuum for a variety of reasons.  These have increased, as you might expect, as the dyson name and brand become more pervasive.  I believe this phenomenon has taken hold in the UK where dyson buyers are waning year over year.  Of course, dyson's strategy is to open up new markets in new countries.  Very different from HOOVER which made the US [not the UK and Canada] its main vacuum market for generations and still. 

Carmine D.

Carmine,

What I’ve come to understand of people… money or the lack of it, is the main reason why Dyson vacuums or other premium price products get dismissed by consumers.  Ask a person without the ability to comfortably pay for a high price but desired product and you’ll find many reasoning’s versus the core reason…  it is hard to say out loud and to a stranger (sales person) – “I cannot afford it.”  Have a free upright give-away-day here in the U.S. by the major retailers and folks will mostly line up for the most innovative - the Dyson upright line.        DIB

Strange that you only bad mouth Dyson when all brands require repairs.  If I made good money repairing Dyson the last thing that I would do is bite the hand that feeds me.  Of course I would also be upset if Dyson sold so many vacs that it reduced the sale of vacs I had previously made money repairing and I did not get enough Dyson repairs to make up the losses.

Folded?  Wishful thinking.  Legends never fold.  They get bought.  HOOVER is a vacuum brand legend.  If I recall Consumer Reports, March 2008, I believe the wording it used is ..........HOOVER.......the most popular selling vacuum on the market. 

Carmine D.

If you do not succeed you fail.  Hoover's philosophy of U.S. sales failed.  If you are lucky you get bought as did Hoover.  Ask all the former employees if they can buy groceries on legends.

I know yu understand but do not want to admit it.

My heart goes out to the HOOVER employees.  I thank them for their dedicated work despite a awful parent company and management [Maytag] which never served the vacuum industry and HOOVER very well.

HOOVER vacuums are the most popular selling vacuum brand.  HOOVER has been the leading vacuum seller [in units] since 1978.  Unit sales is IMHO the best measure of brand success.  Despite the Maytag debacle and all the other vacuum competition over the years and still, the HOOVER brand lives on.  A lasting testament to HOOVER employees.  That's success in my view.

Carmine D.

Consumer Reports March 2008.  The  words CR used are: "it's [HOOVER] still a best seller." 

Carmine D.

Please do.  Are these brand sales counted Individually/collectively vice HOOVER?

My sense is the annual new sales of vacuums among these 4 brands are very close from year to year.  I suspect if you include all HOOVER floorcare products [like rug cleaners, and floor washers] HOOVER leaves the 3 brands [BISSELL, DIRT DEVIL, and EUREKA] way behind.  These brands have their counterparts to HOOVER in these floorcare products also.

Since TTA now owns both the DIrt Devil and HOOVER brands..............who should we now conclude is the company with the largest market share dollars and units of new vacuums/floorcare products sold every year in the USA?

Carmine D.

Carmine,

Hoover, "largest market share dollars and units..."  Q:  What's your point?        DIB

DIB:

More correctly TTI, which owns both the HOOVER and Dirt Devil/Royal companies [the oldest US vacuum brands], is the largest maker and seller of vacuums in the USA [both by sku's/dollar sales volume].  The point [my point if you please] is what it is. 

Carmine D.

I can't fathom spending 4 hours on a Sunday [or any day for that matter] viewing dyson products.  Maybe 30-40 minutes tops.  And then I'm ready for a drink [a double].

I couldn't open the link, but I'm guessing Mr. Dyson [perhaps even in person] will attempt to promote the Airblade to American households.  Hoping to jump start 2 years of languishing sales on what has to be a big ticket R&D dyson item.  Maybe satisfied users of dyson vacuums will spring for $1400 to upgrade their bathroom/home fixtures?  Just a gut feeling based on the overly lengthy HSN show time. 4 HOURS!  Oh the pain and suffering.

I'm still sticking with my original prediction: Dyson will look to sell off the Airblade to a company more suited to market and sell the product.  Any thoughts?  Matt [mmc] Airblade?  You're the expert.  What do you know and care to share?

Carmine D.

Hey Carmine,

Maybe a drink and a smoke after the orgasmic Dyson experience [launch]? 

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A $1400 or so, commercial Airblade for homes?   James has said he does not know if the Airblade will be money maker (or something like this) and said something like...  hopefully we would have had a good time in the process. 

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3 – 1 hr. shows/showings on Sunday not 4 showings as HSN had scheduled on the program guides last night.  The hyperlink works on my computer.

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HSN Program guide > http://www.hsn.com/program-guide_xh.aspx

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DIB

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Ace,

Your welcome.

DIB:

Just a drink: Mr. Daniels, please.   Pass on the smoke.  

After 40 plus years in the vacuum business, there is nothing orgasmic about the vacuum industry, save the cute "hotties" back in day when we old timers did "free pick up and delivery" on vacuum repairs.  Oh...the good ole days.

Carmine D.