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Vacuum Cleaners Discussions > Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...

Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
#1 Yesterday 3:13 pm

Why in the world is it considered unethical to sell a customer a vacuum that meets their needs just because it's above some arbitrary price? If someone wants to spend $2000, $1600, $1200, $120, or even $50 vacuum for whatever reason that is their business. It's possible for a $200 vacuum to have a higher cost over 5 years than a $400 vacuum. For some vacuums, the up front cost is cheap, but you sure get hosed on the bags/belts/filters.

As an aside, I believe that Target had the pink Dyson DC07 for $350 with a free $100 gift card recently.

HARDSELL wrote:

Unethical is OK if it benefits you. I expected this from you.

Vacuum Cleaners Discussions > Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner

Re: The New Miele Upright Cleaner
#2 Nov 7, 2008 5:42 pm

People want a vacuum that will last for 20 years, even if they don't want to keep it that long. If the average Miele lasts 20 years, then it will be able to take some abuse.

Vacuum Cleaners Discussions > Re: “Anything” Dyson that makes news.

Re: “Anything” Dyson that makes news.
#3 Nov 6, 2008 5:38 pm

Hello DIB:

I believe Rainbow has been using a clear bin for a very long time - long before Dyson. It is ridiculous to argue about a clear dirt container. Clear containers have been used for food containers and other applications for years. Who knows where James Dyson "stole" the idea for a clear container originated - it's irrelevant.

James Dyson is trained as a graphics artist. He accomplished 2 things - the no loss of suction dirt collection container, and he made a vacuum that has a unique trendy look. His vacuums don't clean any better than other vacuums, because of design flaws unrelated to constant air flow. When Dyson finds a cure for cancer, artificial limbs, an artificial heart/lungs, or cure for some other disease, perhaps the rest of us will hoist him up on your pedestal.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hello DIB:

The first clear dirt bin I recall in the USA vacuum market goes to the EUREKA bagless Whirlwind. I'm sure you'll say EUREKA copied dyson, which at the time was still a homegrown UK product. Note now that EUREKA's latest Capture uprights use color tinted bins to accent the color schemes of the vacuums. I like the latter better than the nasty clear bins. Did dyson ever sue over the copying?

Vacuum Cleaners Discussions > Re: NEW!!! TTI releases HOOVER PLATINUM COLLECTION

Re: NEW!!! TTI releases HOOVER PLATINUM COLLECTION
#4 Oct 28, 2008 11:07 am

DIB,

Do you have a fear of competition? Companies like Dyson will have to continue to innovate to be successful with their premium pricing. American statesman and inventor Ben Franklin actually opposed patent protections because he thought it stymied innovation. While Dyson has been innovative with the dirt collection system, his brush rolls leave a lot to be desired. A Kirby vacuum with 1920's technology will outclean a Dyson on carpeting. Apparently an Oreck vacuum with a clean bag will outclean a Dyson on carpeting too.

Using your definition of steal, Dyson is guilty of theft too. Dyson uses a rotating brush roll and nozzle which were invented long ago by others. Dyson took a basic vacuum design invented by others and improved the dirt collection system. That's it. And that's the same thing that the others have done. They use the latest technology available and try to make some improvements. While you may not like the dual cyclone copies, they have brought the technology to consumers who can't afford a $400 vacuum.

DysonInventsBig wrote:

Hey Carmine,

Fact: TTI is using reversed engineered Dyson mult-cyclonic and the many elements in making the entire filtration work (Whisper upright).
Fact: TTI fought for and won the right to use a Dyson creation - “No Loss of Suction”.

Red TTI/Hoover has already established itself as a parasite (at times). My greater point of my pairing the Red Hoover with Oreck was in the marketing and/or positioning itself as Oreck-like. You do not see the similarities? I do. I realize others have similar uprights. IMO, Oreck and no others have made famous the pairing of a rectangular shaped hand vac with a lightweight, soft bagged upright. Red simply extruded Oreck’s hand vac and made taller and added some styling. Red does what Red does best... steal. Red has copied Oreck... fact.

DIB

Vacuum Cleaners Discussions > Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock

Re: Refurbished vacuums on Overstock
#5 Sep 30, 2008 2:22 pm

I forgot to mention that you can buy a new Amway Bagless ClearTrak Vacuum with Tools for only $450 - supposedly an $850 value. I've never used on of these, but I'm not sure why one would want to buy a primitive version of a Dyson for more than a modern Dyson? Or am I missing something. The reviews are actually quite good for this product.

http://www.overstock.com/Home-Garden/Amway-Bagless-ClearTrak-Vacuum-with-Tools/2996694/product.html