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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
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Dyson used science and ingenuity to build his filtration. And ingenuity to build his hose/wand for uprights. Both are now copied by the richest and biggest manufacturers. Compared to the Oreck, which most of this appliance could be made by going to the plumbing store and using used vac parts. Where is the proprietary break-thru science on the Oreck? There is none. And when I walk the isles of the biggest American retailers or view the biggest retailers online and globally, one will see Sir James Dyson’s and his fellow inventors (his engineers) handiwork on competing manufacturers vacuums, not so with Oreck.
Mole, perhaps if all manufacturers who have reversed engineered Dyson’s science and ingenuity (filtration, hose/wand and maybe his popularizing the HEPA too) paid the guy a royalty on each unit sold maybe Dyson would not be forced to spend up to $50m annually educating the public of his work. He cannot stand back and watch the leaches take the market he created.
Mole, not sure of your complaints of the Dyson pricing... the high retail price of many Euro vacuums provide nice margins that dealers enjoy. By comparison, Dyson's do not have (often times) anywhere near the profit margins as many of the Euro vacuums. Euro vac makers save money on advertising only to pass on higher margins to dealers.
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DIB,
As everyone knows I have always been pro Dyson. I will repeat that I feel it is priced too high. I also think there are lesser vacs that are way overpriced. If an Oreck is worth $800 the Dyson is worth $2000. I think the Dyson is worth as much as Miele, Kirby and other over priced brands. Again they are all over priced. I could say that if JD gave up on his other projects he could reduce the price of his vacuum. On the other hand he does invest his money to help others whereas the other brands simply pocket the profits. So what if JD goes busted. Look at how he gave others a job and contributed to the economy. At least he contributed. What has Oreck offered? Maybe winimum wage and a paid holiday for its employees while the family lives in luxury. What have the other brands given in return? Most any vac costing over $200 is over priced IMHO. ----------------- Hi Hardsell, We should all be grateful someone has the guts to innovate and gamble bringing innovations to market. This takes money. Last I checked Sir James was spending $95m on R&D. Yes, he is not investing in vacuum cleaners only. I have heard rumors of future products. If they prove out, they will give people greater choices and hopefully create wealth and jobs too. DIB
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Re: NEW!!! TTI releases HOOVER PLATINUM COLLECTION
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I have not followed this thread to close, I do not know if this has been discussed... It looks like this Platinum stick has no Windtunnel as TTI advertises. Anyone?  |
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Re: TTI & Hoover
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Lucky,
Can you link (post) the article?
DIB
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
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Hi Carmine, D.I.B., H.S.
Since where we are doing a little soul searching,
QUESTION, for the forum members to answer,dealers ,non dealers , wholesalers,distributors, vac people non vac people.repair guys and sales people,industry bean counters ETC.
If a customer comes into your place of business and wants an upright and has 700+ to spend on a cleaner,
You sell and stock MIELE, RICCAR,SEBO,DYSON, LINDHAUS,SIMPLICITY, HOOVER, SANITAIRE,ORECK
Would you sell them the vacuum that has the most profit in it or the right one that they need?[and feel a lot better with yourself] knowing you did RIGHT BY THE CUSTOMER,
MOLE Hey Mole, Is doing the right thing somehow a difficult choice? Doing the right thing... does this include slamming the guy who is most responsible for bringing more profitable technologies (in the last 15-25 years) to the lowly vacuum cleaner appliance than any other single person - i.e. James Dyson? DIB
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Re: The Oreck vacuum and everything you wanted to know (hopefully)...
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Dyson used science and ingenuity to build his filtration. And ingenuity to build his hose/wand for uprights and many other elements too. That are now copied by the richest and biggest manufacturers. Compared to the Oreck, which most of this appliance could be made by going to the plumbing store and using used vac parts. Where is the proprietary break-thru science on the Oreck? There is none. And when I walk the isles of the biggest American retailers or view the biggest retailers online and globally, one will see Sir James Dyson’s and his fellow inventors (his engineers) handiwork on competing manufacturers vacuums, not so with Oreck.
Mole, perhaps if all manufacturers who have reversed engineered Dyson’s science, ingenuity and/or popularizing components (HEPA, modular filtration unit, bottom drop door, clear bin, fine dust collector, etc.) - if these manufacturers paid the guy a royalty on each unit sold maybe Dyson would not be forced to spend up to $50m annually educating the public of his work. He cannot stand back and watch the leaches take the market he created.
Mole, not sure of your complaints of the Dyson pricing... the high retail price of many Euro vacuums provide nice margins that dealers enjoy. By comparison, Dyson's do not have (often times) anywhere near the profit margins as many of the Euro vacuums. Euro vac makers save money on advertising only to pass on higher margins to dealers.
DIB
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