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mml4


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Conversation with Simplicity
Original Message   Feb 21, 2005 3:59 pm
Hi guys,

Called Briggs with the spec # on the Simplicity I am looking at . The guy was very nice!! Called me back and spent a lot of time  but couldn't find the exact # I gave him. He said he was 90% sure the spec# I gave him  is an aluminum bore engine. What he was able to give me was the Phone # for Simplicity which I couldn't get on Friday. For you Simplicity fans the #is (262)284-8669.Hit 2 on your phone after you get through to get to the tech dept. Real interesting conversation with that gentleman.

1)All the engines in the large frame line are the same except for the 13hp unit."If you buy the the 9560E,1060DLXE,1170Eor 1280E you get the same engine."

When I asked him why he said it's more cost effective to power everything with the 12hp engine than to buy different engines for each model. He was very specific about saying the engine is the 12. The stickers are different.

2)" All the engines are aluminum bore models because they are the same engine" Simplicity chose to go with aluminum bore because they run cooler and in an environment absent of dust and dirt the cast iron isn't necessary.Today"s Aluminum alloys wear very well under winter conditions according to their tests."

3)"I should consider using the Briggs synthetic oil because it doubles  the life of the warranty. There is a chemical dye in the oil that colors the internal parts of the engine. If you have a failure they check for the color and you get a replacement." Sounds like a good deal to me.

4)He suggested using Simplicity part #1704636 to lubricate the gearbox. Infomed me that it is really a Snapper lubricant and that when Simplicity bought Snapper they found it worked very well. Said it doesen't thicken in the cold as much as other gear oils.

I pressed him a little on the aluminum bore issue reminding him that Simplicity used cast iron bore Tecumsehs before Briggs bought the company. He said that the purchase by Briggs had nothing to do with it.Simplicity started using Briggs three years ago when the Snow Intek first came out. He reminded me this was before Simplicity was bought by Briggs.When I asked him why the change he said there were too many issues with the Tecumseh carburetors .

 I went to the Briggs web site and spent some time looking at their replacement engine spec. book. Sure enough there are 9,10 and 11 hp. engines of the same displacement. To further confuse/enlighten me they listed engines of the same horse power that have different displacements.And to further confuse the issue Briggs does not list a 12 hp engine. 

I have a headache,

Marc

This message was modified Mar 2, 2005 by mml4


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robmints


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Re: Conversation with Simplicity
Reply #71   Feb 24, 2005 2:40 pm
I sure wish I could figure out those smiley things.  Because I would find a real special one,  just for you Marshall. If you turned it on it's side it might look like a smile.
Marshall


As Long As There Are Tests, There Will Be Prayer In Public Schools. ;- )

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Re: Conversation with Simplicity
Reply #72   Feb 24, 2005 3:03 pm
Hahahahahahaha!

That would be the very first time a derriere has ever been used in association to a description or depiction of my blooming personality .  
robmints


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Re: Conversation with Simplicity
Reply #73   Feb 24, 2005 6:12 pm



This is what I think of when I think of you, Marshall.
You are a peach after all.
jubol


Location: Dover, De
Joined: Oct 3, 2003
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Re: Conversation with Simplicity
Reply #74   Feb 24, 2005 6:15 pm
  Rob,

  Also he might be a little "Fuzzy" at times !!

                                                 Fred   

Husqvarna STE927(11.5HP) snowblower,  MTD Pro Series 18/42 Lawnmower, MTD 6.5 HP  Self Prop Lawn Mower,  Weedeater 1500 Blower, Web Gensis  2000 
TomP


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Location: Central New Jersey
Joined: Aug 4, 2003
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Re: Conversation with Simplicity
Reply #75   Feb 24, 2005 8:02 pm
For whatever this is worth I was looking through the Briggs website and found horsepower ratings for engines in the spark plug section:

spark plugs

Seems to say the 20G400 series is a 11 hp engine.


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mml4


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Deep snow is better!


Joined: Dec 31, 2003
Points: 544

Re: Conversation with Simplicity
Reply #76   Feb 24, 2005 8:41 pm
Hi Guys! Tom- That's correct because notice in the "20" cubic inch engine category they don't admit to a 12hp engine. How can they have a plug reccomendation for an engine they don't produce.

But if you look at the Simplicity line of large frame blowers you see a 20G414011E1 badged as a 12hp.engine. In addition while it is as yet unconfirmed it would appear that the 12hp in the Snapper line is also a 20G414011E1.

Marc

This message was modified Feb 24, 2005 by mml4


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Marshall


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Re: Conversation with Simplicity
Reply #77   Feb 24, 2005 9:26 pm
LINT, WHERE ARE YOU, WHAT'S YOUR TAKE ON ALL THIS? I KNOW YOU HAVE AN OPINION.  
hidatofeb05


Joined: Feb 28, 2005
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Re: Conversation with Simplicity
Reply #78   Feb 28, 2005 9:39 pm
    I recently bought a Snapper 924 which has a 9hp B&S model # 20C414.  I asked the B&S email account if the 20C414 is an aluminum alloy (as the 20A412 is or cast iron as the 20D414 is).  I received an email from B&S saying the 9 hp engine I mentioned is in fact cast iron for sleeve and that it is special order for Snapper.   Engines in Snapper manual all have same displacement.  B&S lists all  as having same max rpm.  so it has me wondering how do they get the extra horsepower.  Mine does say 9 hp on label on engine, so I assume it is.  Torque varies slightly from one to another- 13- 14 lbs of torque at about 2500 rpm.  I asked if I should replace the regular oil with synthetic oil before the 2 hr break in-B&S email reply did not seem to be pushing synthetic- said I would do it after 8 hr break in.  I told them I would use Mobil # 1 if they thought it was OK.  They said that is fine.

     That series of  B&S OHV 9-12 hp is their premium engine- main difference  seemed to be the premium parts and looks like cast iron sleeves.

     You can get Champion platinum replacement plugs for the RC12YC  which is the spark plug for the B&S at least the 9 hp.

It is not easy to get all the info in a straight forward manner from the web sites.

hidato

mml4


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Re: Conversation with Simplicity
Reply #79   Mar 1, 2005 11:03 am
Hi Hidato-

Take a very close look at the number on your engine. I think you may find that the C is a G. Snow Shoveler  and Miss Snowshoveler who are Snapper dealers confirmed in an earlier post  that the engine in the 9hp Snapper is the 20G414011E1.

See reply #42 in this thread.

If you call Snapper I think you will find out the same information.The first time I looked at my engine I mis- read the G as a C.I spent a lot of time on the phone with Briggs but found their knowledge of which engine the manufacturer uses to be lacking. If you call Simplicity/Snapper you will get more exact info.

Welcome to the forum,

Marc

This message was modified Mar 1, 2005 by mml4


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TomP


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Location: Central New Jersey
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Re: Conversation with Simplicity
Reply #80   Mar 1, 2005 12:37 pm
sawman wrote:
As a sales rep for a distributor who sells Simplicity and Snapper I have forwarded this thread to our technical guy with the suggestion he contact Simplicity for an explanation. Will keep you posted.

Pat


Pat:

I hate to let this mystery go unsolved.  Simplicity refuses to respond to my email request regarding my engine and the differences in the Briggs site regarding hp ratings. 

Has your tech contact made any progress?

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