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snowday


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Auto turn vs prior auto steering
Original Message   Jan 30, 2014 3:28 pm
Does anyone know the differences between the autoturns? Ariens says it is the first ever seen on a snowblower. But didnt they have "traction control" before on platinum and pro models. Also deere had a version called ez steer. Does anyone know the differences between the three if there are any?
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niper99


Location: London Ont
Joined: Dec 2, 2007
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Re: Auto turn vs prior auto steering
Reply #1   Jan 30, 2014 10:50 pm
well the "auto turns" has a differential which work automatically without any input from user... compared to the "traction control" style which has a disconnect that u manually control for each wheel with triggers.. there's only the 2 styles, some makers are just calling it different names.. its a little soon to say which will hold up better.. but in my opinion the "auto turns" will be very pricey to repair compared to trigger style just my opinion..
mkd55


Location: wisconsin
Joined: Dec 16, 2005
Points: 153

Re: Auto turn vs prior auto steering
Reply #2   Feb 1, 2014 1:31 pm
just got a new autoturn ariens 921030 and so far i have no gripes about how it works. to my knowledge to repair one of the autoturns it's a matter of dropping the axles and changing the whole unit out. maintenance wise easy to change ! whether it holds up and is a frequent problem i don't think anyone knows because it's too new! someone on snowblower.com just changed last years differential to this years just to see the comparison and as he described the swap it was a piece of cake.
snowday


Joined: Feb 6, 2013
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Re: Auto turn vs prior auto steering
Reply #3   Feb 4, 2014 3:02 pm
Thanks for the input. I know the "traction control" on the 2011 2012 ariens platinum and pro had it and there were no triggers or inputs. Just was wondering why they say it is a first when it seems like they already had it. I believe it was a Hilliard auto lock. Is the new "auto turn" the same thing. Same thing the the easy steer deer, not sure if this used a Hilliard auto lok or not. But neither had triggers or input from an operator.
mkd55


Location: wisconsin
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Re: Auto turn vs prior auto steering
Reply #4   Feb 5, 2014 8:02 am
snowday! the early traction control were unlocked for turning by a trigger under the handlebar and the 2014 auto turn has no triggers and suppose to be an improvement over the trigger operated models. here's a thread on an early model converted to the new auto turn. http://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum/ariens-snowblowers/12370-converting-atc-pro-32-into-auto-turn-pro-32-a.html
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mkd55


Location: wisconsin
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Re: Auto turn vs prior auto steering
Reply #5   Feb 5, 2014 8:30 pm
http://www.snowblowerforum.com/forum/ariens-snowblowers/12370-converting-atc-pro-32-into-auto-turn-pro-32-a.html if you copy and paste the thread there is a very informative link with pictures that explains changing the hilliard (older auto lock) to the new general transmission auto turn. it's a fairly simple swap and costs less than $200.00 if you do the labor. for those units with the trigger releases it would get quite pricey because of the extra parts that would need to be swapped out.
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snowday


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Re: Auto turn vs prior auto steering
Reply #6   Feb 6, 2014 10:48 am
Thank you guys for the information!
coasteray


El Toro! 1028 LXE
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Location: NE Washington State
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Re: Auto turn vs prior auto steering
Reply #7   Feb 12, 2014 3:28 pm
snowday wrote:
Does anyone know the differences between the autoturns? Ariens says it is the first ever seen on a snowblower. But didnt they have "traction control" before on platinum and pro models. Also deere had a version called ez steer. Does anyone know the differences between the three if there are any?

Here's some further aid for this question:  Please copy and paste the below internet links to your browser to get to the actual pages.  Note the reply numbers of the posters so you can find them!

Ariens had the ATC system for several years, then improved to a better version of it for the 2014 lineup.   These links explain this.

1)  http://www.abbysguide.com/ope/discussions/65950-0-1.html     from Snowmann himself (of the Ariens company.  His mention of the new Auto Turn is near the end of his comments about the 2014 lineup of blowers (even the info on the engines is interesting to know!).  I've pasted his comments from this forum below:

Snowmann


Joined: Dec 2, 2003
Points: 490

Re: Ariens Platinum 24 291cc 14.5ft lbs.
Reply #1   Aug 24, 2013 8:39 am
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The 250cc Briggs on the Platinum 24 from last year was also made in China, as are all Briggs snow engines starting this year. The last of the US-made snow engines, the 305cc and 342cc, were discontinued when Briggs transitioned production from Auburn, Alabama to Chongqing, China. The Ariens AX engines are contract manufactured by LCT which is a US company based out of Traveler's Rest, SC with manufacturing facilities in China. LCT has a joint manufacturing partnership with Lauson/CPC out of Janesville Wisconsin who hold the remnants of Tecumseh Power. All Ariens AX engines and parts are serviced and supported directly through Ariens. That is, the warranty and service process is unified for the machine and engine rather than having to work with the engine manufacturer to get service and support separately (although that is still an option). Along with the power upgrade from last year (up 2.0 ft-lbs torque), the Platinum 24 gets larger 16" tires and a 2nd generation Auto Turn. The latest Auto Turn releases power from the interior wheel for tighter turning radii, has a wet sump for longer life, and unlocks faster than the old system (formerly called ATC, Auto Traction Control). I hope this helps. PK

Then here are two more very insightful comments I've pasted from this forum regarding the Hilliard Auto-Loc mechanism, comparing John Deere's application vs. Ariens' application.  They are not the same.  Interesting!

2)  http://www.abbysguide.com/ope/discussions/33911-0-1.html


  scopes01


Location: Montreal, CANADA
Joined: Nov 26, 2011
Points: 22

Re: John Deere 1130 SE
Reply #305   Nov 29, 2011 8:07 pm
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SteveJF wrote:
I purchased the JD 1130E from Lowes in 2009. The "easy steer" system is probably fine for paved driveways but I live in the country and have a very large gravel driveway. Because of the uneven surface I think the easy steer system is a detriment to me. Is there any way to disenage or disable it? I find myself wrestling with the machine to get both wheels turning in sync. Thanks.

Hi there...your machine's "easy steer"  feature is an Auto-Lok differential from a company called Hilliard...they supply the industry with this differential unit...It is neat system when it is properly integrated into a product so it is effective an efficient...The problem that your having is that your Auto-Lok differential is mounted on a main sprocket and driven with a chain....same concept as a bike...The problem is that there is too much slack and not very much surface contact for the driving mechanisms to work properly. Ex: Ariens is using this technology on their Platinum and Professional series machine too...however, it is integrated and designed differently and better in my opinion. Here is the reason why...The main difference is that the ARIENS is using a spur gear around the Auto-Lok unit and a pinion to drive the gear for both wheels. The spur gear surface is about 1" wide and the pinion even more. Perhaps, 1.250" of surface for the pinion. I would have to open and measure to get exact size, but its about that. This surface contact increases the stability, rigidity and decreaes the vibration of the axle. John Deere doesn't have a spur gear around the Hillard Auto-Lok unit and neither a pinion. They are using a sprocket and chain to drive the axle. The sprocket is fitted to Auto-Lok and expected to give you that Easy Steer you looking for. Unfortunately, it's not giving you the performance you were expecting....Perhaps, it is also defective too...eventhough it is mounted on a sprocket and chain it should still be going on a straight line and in-sync...

Here is a link to JD manual for your machine on page 6   https://groundscare.custhelp.com/ci/fattach/get/32489/

Here is a link to Ariens service manual..go to page 20 figure 18 to see how Ariens is mounted differently.  http://apache.ariens.com/manuals/02983600.pdf

If it is a real irritant for you...you might want to consider removing this Auto-Lok and installing a straight sproket...just remember if you this, it will be harder to turn. This is how standard MTD snowblowers operate...

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3)  http://www.abbysguide.com/ope/discussions/61611-A-1.html

scopes01


Location: Montreal, CANADA
Joined: Nov 26, 2011
Points: 22

Re: John Deere 1330 long term review or NEW Recommendation
Reply #6   Dec 4, 2011 7:03 am
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Hi there did you consider the new 2011-12 ARIENS ST28DLE (926038) Professional Series?...I just purchased this model machine for $ 1800.00 plus taxes in Canada and was also considering the John Deere 1330. For a couple of hundred dollars I would definitely consider the ARIENS ST28DLE Pro model. The ST28DLE Pro machine comes standard with a 420 cc Briggs & Stratton Polar Force engine having 21 ft./lbs. of torque and 14.39 HP . This engine also comes with a crankshaft balancer, cast iron cylinder sleeve and a forged crankshaft.  Personally, I would focus on the heavy duty points of a snow blower. The John Deere 1130 and 1330 machine have a short 3"-4" auger shaft sticking out from their gear box from each side. Then to compensate, a support bracket is installed on top of the gear case and screwed underneath the blower housing. This is to prevent the gearbox from twisting during action. The Pro 28,32 & 36 models machine from ARIENS have a full length auger shaft that goes from onside to another, eliminating the bracket support.  The Automatic Traction Control on the ARIENS….it is also a really good feature that is offered. There is a little resistance when you turn, but almost unnoticeable. If you stick to a smaller machine like a 28” housing, it is very easy to manoeuvre than a 36” machine. Also, I happened to take a closer look at the ATC system on the ARIENS Professional series. It is a really cool design. It is a Hilliard Auto-Lok differential system. It has two female internal splines bore on each side of the gear/differential assembly for the axle shaft to enter. Then the Auto-Lok acts like tension device to release the resistance when you turn and yet still have traction on both wheels. John Deere 1330SE model also offers the same feature under a different marketing name called the "Easy Steer"...and it is also a Hilliard product. However, weaker on the design side by John Deere...let me explain.  Now the way it is integrated into the snow machine's design is another issue all together. I have closely looked at both the ARIENS ST28DLE and JD 1130/1330SE Auto-Lok Differential from Hilliard. The main difference is that the ARIENS is using a spur gear around the Auto-Lok differential unit and a pinion to drive the axle for  both wheels. The spur gear surface is a little over 1" wide and the pinion even more. Perhaps, 1.250" of surface for the pinion. I would have to open and measure to get exact size, but it’s about that. This surface contact increases the stability, rigidity and decrease the vibration of the axle. John Deere doesn't have a spur gear around the Hilliard Auto-Lok unit and neither a pinion. They are using a sprocket and chain system to drive the axle. The sprocket is fitted unto the Auto-Lok and expected to give you that Easy Steer you looking for. Unfortunately, it will not perform as expected. You can read the other threads from the other members on this topic.  You will have this machine for a very long time an it worth spending an extra few bucks for a more reliable machine.  ARIENS is made right here in North America and service parts readily available anywhere. Good Luck and regards, Scopes01

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I hope this helps out. 
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