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raysmd


Joined: Nov 3, 2012
Points: 24

Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Original Message   Nov 4, 2012 8:10 pm
So, there not much snow in the midatlantic (VA), but there was the occasional snow storm with more than 2 feet of snow. I'm contemplating a single stage Toro 621 vs a HS928TAS. Big difference in price, I know. I hate to buy the Toro then realize that it's not enough when the snow is piling on. The Honda is just overkill for my area though.
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borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #17   Nov 6, 2012 1:20 pm
And don't bring a gun to a pile of snow.
hcbph1


Joined: Sep 20, 2012
Points: 16

Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #18   Nov 6, 2012 2:32 pm
Somewhat in the same situation but took a different direction.  I had a small single stage that was enough till the winter of 2010.  I ended up buying and rebuilding several 2 stagers (a couple to keep and the rest to sell) and I was able to essentially get a couple of 2 stagers for free.  Right now I have (after selling a couple of machines) about $100 invested in 8 blowers ranging from a 4 hp 20" to 10 hp 32".  If I sell one more, I won't have any of my $$ in any of them.

If you start with the right machine and are handy with tools, buying used can be a way to stretch your $$ a long way.  It's knowing what to look for and finding the right machine to fill your needs that's the hard part.  If you have the time and patience to do it off-season, there can be some real deals to be had.

I'm also getting up there in age, so anything that helps stall off a heart attack like 2010 tried to do to me is worth it.  I'll use my single stage on the light stuff, a 5 hp for midrange and one of the 10 hp if we get dumped on.

raysmd


Joined: Nov 3, 2012
Points: 24

Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #19   Nov 6, 2012 2:53 pm
My only concern about the single stage is getting the blower back up the driveway. It's a decent incline. If I get the 2-stage the. It might not be useful for most of the year. I can always shovel it if it's light. I guess there isn't one machine that will be perfect for all situations
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #20   Nov 6, 2012 4:19 pm
raysmd wrote:
My only concern about the single stage is getting the blower back up the driveway. It's a decent incline. If I get the 2-stage the. It might not be useful for most of the year. I can always shovel it if it's light. I guess there isn't one machine that will be perfect for all situations

My Driveway has an 10% grade.  It rises 11 ft. from the street, up the 110' length to the garage door.  The Toro has no trouble pulling itself up the hill.  As a matter of fact, if I set the governor over 4000 rpm, it's a handful to hold back going down the grade. 

I think you said your driveway has a 30% grade.  That's aweful steep for 200'.   Not sure how a SS machine would be to handle going down the grade moreso than up? 
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #21   Nov 6, 2012 4:44 pm
I concur with Borat.  My drive is roughly 8-10 percent grade and when the surface is slippery, the SS can run away downhill.  It's a fine balance holding on to the handles to keep the machine from getting away from me or it taking me down as I loose my footing.  I use spikes on my shoes to gain some traction.  So going downhill is actually more challenging than uphill. 
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #22   Nov 6, 2012 4:51 pm
aa335 wrote:
I concur with Borat.  My drive is roughly 8-10 percent grade and when the surface is slippery, the SS can run away downhill.  It's a fine balance holding on to the handles to keep the machine from getting away from me or it taking me down as I loose my footing.  I use spikes on my shoes to gain some traction.  So going downhill is actually more challenging than uphill. 

Good idea with the spikes.  I have a pair around here somewhere.  Just have to find them. 

I actually bought a new pair of boots to provide more traction when clearing the driveway this winter.  Almost fell on my a$$ a couple times last year going down the grade using the Toro.  The Craftsman machine doesn't  pull nearly as hard as the Toro and is much easier to manage.  That's one reason I prefer to use it.  The fact that it throws snow as good as, if not better than the Toro makes it easy to like as well. 

I can't imagine a 30% grade?  That's awful steep.
raysmd


Joined: Nov 3, 2012
Points: 24

Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #23   Nov 6, 2012 4:57 pm
That settles it. Whenever I bring the trash cans down (square Rubbermaid with wheels) they will just roll away unless I keep pulling on them. If it's the same with the SS, then I could picture myself sliding as I try to hold onto the machine. Ordering the 928 track. The 724 is the perfect size, but for a couple of hundred $ more I get the 928 with light and electric start. Thanks guys. Hopefully I get some snow. At least 8 inches or else my neighbors are going to think I'm out of my mind. If it's less, then I'll just drive over the snow
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #24   Nov 6, 2012 5:03 pm
borat wrote:
I can't imagine a 30% grade?  That's awful steep.

I don't see how anybody can build a driveway that steep in an area that receives ice and snow.  Is that still within building code?  It sounds difficult to deal with snow clearing even with a tracked snowblower.  I know it can climb stairs but I would not want it to climb more than 6 feet up.  That's 300 lbs of machine that can crush the operator.  Hopefully there's a shoulder of grass on both sides and not a ditch.
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #25   Nov 6, 2012 5:16 pm
aa335 wrote:
I don't see how anybody can build a driveway that steep in an area that receives ice and snow.  Is that still within building code?  It sounds difficult to deal with snow clearing even with a tracked snowblower.  I know it can climb stairs but I would not want it to climb more than 6 feet up.  That's 300 lbs of machine that can crush the operator.  Hopefully there's a shoulder of grass on both sides and not a ditch.

Actually, the OP said the grade is 30 degrees.  That equates to a 57.7 % grade. 

Something doesn't sound right.  He'd need to hire sherpas just to help him get up and down the driveway!!

See link below:

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/slope-degrees-gradient-grade-d_1562.html
aa335


Joined: Nov 29, 2008
Points: 2434

Re: Single stage Toro vs 2-stage Honda
Reply #26   Nov 6, 2012 5:35 pm
borat wrote:
Actually, the OP said the grade is 30 degrees.  That equates to a 57.7 % grade. 

Something doesn't sound right.  He'd need to hire sherpas just to help him get up and down the driveway!!


I'm thinking a ski lift or a snow groomer (Pisten Bully) would be suitable for the task.
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