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bbwb


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Location: NE Minnesota
Joined: Feb 23, 2004
Points: 115

Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Original Message   Feb 5, 2005 9:36 pm
Hi Everyone:

Just thought that I would share how I wound up redesigning the chain tensioner on my Ariens 1028.  If some of you might recall at WTB, I was complaining how the chain tensioner would be "bent" away from the chain during heavy loading and thus would leave the chain slack during easy going.  This slack would cause the chain to bunch up and jamb at the lower gear to case location.  I wound up using an original Ariens hex shaft and modified it by having a larger diameter sleeve bushing welded onto the threaded end of the shaft.  After cutting to the proper length, I mounted it into a rigid flange bearing.  Careful locating and drilling of hole and SUCCESS!!

Here is the link to the photos of this modification, I hope it works.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/bbwb/Chaintensionercloseup.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/bbwb/Chaincatchpoint.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/bbwb/Oldtensioner.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/bbwb/HexShaftcopy.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/bbwb/Cutdownhexshaft.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/bbwb/Newhexshaft.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v715/bbwb/Newconfiguration.jpg

I believe that the original configuration that is on my machine is the same as the current ones....Maybe if PK takes this back to the company I might get a large royalty check so that I may retire???

Let me know what you guys think.

bbwb

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robmints


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Re: Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Reply #8   Feb 5, 2005 10:54 pm
Yes My Account.
Then Settings.
Uncheck the Advanced Posting thing.
Only if you do not have the toolbar. Otherwise the toolbar is pretty easy. You should have a toolbar if you are not using Opera or some other less popular browser, or I think if you do not have java enabled.
Anyway, try it. An extra picture won't hurt. If you do it right the picture will show up before you post.
TheKneebiter


Joined: Oct 22, 2004
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Re: Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Reply #9   Feb 5, 2005 10:54 pm
If you could post the part numbers and source for all the parts i would love to make one of these for my machine.  The first thing i noticed when i removed my cover to make my adjustments was how cheap the original one was. Again if you could either post or pm me the part numbers and source that would be great. Thank's in advance.
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Jonathan


I am a marvelous housekeeper. Every time I leave a man I keep his house. -Zsa Zsa

Location: Near Albany NY
Joined: Sep 12, 2004
Points: 320

Re: Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Reply #10   Feb 5, 2005 10:55 pm
I have posted in the past about the idler pulley on mine coming off, probably because of an assembly error. I have about 8 hours of use on it and don't see any signs of the housing being bent so far. I frankly haven't been able to figure out why there would be alot of tension on that pulley and shaft. Isn't the chain configuration similar to a bicycle chain where the tension on the chain is the section between the tops of the sprockets, with the "return" section hanging loosely below?

2004 Ariens 11528LE, Troybilt Horse "Big Red" Tiller (original), Troybilt Tuffy Tiller (original), Sears LT1000 mower, Lawn Boy 7073 21" mower, Stihl FS55 RC trimmer, Poulan Countervibe 3400 chainsaw
robmints


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Points: 4691

Re: Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Reply #11   Feb 5, 2005 11:04 pm
Jonathan,

Forward one side is in tension, reverse the other. On a bike you are always going forward.
bbwb


Less is more...more or less

Location: NE Minnesota
Joined: Feb 23, 2004
Points: 115

Re: Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Reply #12   Feb 5, 2005 11:04 pm
Well, here it goes with another pic...

Oh Boy, look at me go now!!!

The hex shaft if the same one that is on the machine now.  Go to the parts radar and find the shaft, make the mods, and your in business!

This whole thing cost me the following:

     Hex shaft from dealer $27

     Machine shop time to make sleeve bushing $20

     Bearing from Grainger $11 plus shipping

     My time to cut shaft, mount, and adjust...priceless (really more like 2.5 hrs)

bbwb

     

Jonathan


I am a marvelous housekeeper. Every time I leave a man I keep his house. -Zsa Zsa

Location: Near Albany NY
Joined: Sep 12, 2004
Points: 320

Re: Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Reply #13   Feb 6, 2005 8:59 am
Robmints,

Thanks. Do you happen to know if the chain tension on the idler pulley and shaft occurs when the machine is going in forward or reverse?

Jonathan

2004 Ariens 11528LE, Troybilt Horse "Big Red" Tiller (original), Troybilt Tuffy Tiller (original), Sears LT1000 mower, Lawn Boy 7073 21" mower, Stihl FS55 RC trimmer, Poulan Countervibe 3400 chainsaw
mml4


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Deep snow is better!


Joined: Dec 31, 2003
Points: 544

Re: Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Reply #14   Feb 6, 2005 9:28 am
Ingeneous and exquisitely executed!! 

Marc

SnapperV210P,Toro22177,TroyBilt42010Snowthrower,Craftsman Shredder,American Turbo Pressure Washer HondaGX200,Stihl011Saw,EchoPas260Trimmer Edger,EchoPB602Blower,EchoHCR150Hedge Clipper
robmints


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Points: 4691

Re: Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Reply #15   Feb 6, 2005 10:19 am
Jonathan wrote:
Robmints,

Thanks. Do you happen to know if the chain tension on the idler pulley and shaft occurs when the machine is going in forward or reverse?

Jonathan


No, I don't have an Ariens and I can't tell if I'm looking at the right or left side of the machine.
JohnEDavies


Joined: Sep 7, 2004
Points: 177

Re: Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Reply #16   Feb 6, 2005 11:23 am
That's a very slick and professional job.

I have noticed that one or more of  the cogs on my 926DLE don't run true (radially) - the tenson changes dramatically as the axle turns. Was this case with your machine? If you neglect to set the tension at the tightest spot, the chain will bind, dig into the roller and perhaps bend the adjuster shaft.

In other words, does your chain tension vary after doing your mod?

Have you sent an email to Ariens support?

Thanks.

John
This message was modified Feb 6, 2005 by JohnEDavies
bbwb


Less is more...more or less

Location: NE Minnesota
Joined: Feb 23, 2004
Points: 115

Re: Redesigned Ariens Chain Tensioner
Reply #17   Feb 6, 2005 12:08 pm
Hi Johnathan:

What I found is that the taught side of the chain is as follows:

     Moving forward - opposite of the tensioner

     Reverse - same side as the tensioner

The bending force on the original tensioner would only occur while trying to back the machine out of hole etc...It was so great that the side case of blower would distort at the slotted hole.  My first repair was to add the larger fender washers to each side of the hex shaft.  That worked for awhile but would still be moved out of position thus not keeping any tension on the chain.  While rolling the blower around in the garage (not under its own power) I would hear a metallic clicky click.  What I found was that the chain, not being under any tension, would bunch up at the bottom sprocket and was contacting the bottom case cross member.  Twice the chain got caught and would not allow me to move it at all!!

To answer Johns question:

There certainly is some wobble in the drive sprocket and my new tensioner...from the factory welding of the sprocket onto the hex shaft.  My wobble is not radially but laterally.

bbwb

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