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borat
Joined: Nov 10, 2007
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Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Original Message Nov 15, 2011 1:32 pm |
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So I mixed up a fresh batch of 40:1 fuel, filled the 221QE and fired it up. It fired on the first pull then stopped. I primed it some more, put the choke on full and fired it up again. It ran fine but when I took the choke off, it slowed down to about 1/3rd it's operating speed. Put the choke back on and it revved up to what sounded like normal operating speed. I kept the choke on and let it run like that for a minute or so thinking the fuel system needs to be fully charged. However, that wasn't the case. I stopped the machine, tilted it forward, removed the float bowl and inspected it. Nice and clean. Then I pulled the main jet to inspect it. I could see light through the orifice but wasn't sure of how big of a hole should be there. You never know with jets. Nonetheless, I ran a piece of thin wire through it then blew it out with compressed air. I also blew out the passage in the carb where the jet goes. After cleaning the jet, I took a good look at the orifice. The amount of light passing through it indicated It was much larger after cleaning. Approx. 2/3rds larger than when it was restricted. Compared to many carbs I've worked on, It does have a rather large orifice.
The strange thing is that I bought this machine new less than a year ago. I ran it completely out of fuel before I stored it yet it still managed to develop enough varnish in the main jet to cause problems. Go figure? That's the first time I've had that kind of a problem with my own equipment. I still have the two Tecumseh powered machines to fire up yet. I'll let you know how they fared.
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FrankMA
Location: Merrimack Valley/Northeastern Mass
Joined: Jul 1, 2010
Points: 587
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Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #3 Nov 15, 2011 3:12 pm |
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I'm still trying to find the time to work the carb on that CCR3000 I messed around with late last winter/early spring. I think I'm going to remove the carb (yet again!) and give it another good probing with a wire to see if I can finally get this beast running consistently. Did you get your 221QE running smoothly yet?
Toro Wheel Horse 522xi GT, Honda HS928TA, Honda HS621AS, Honda HS520A, Toro CCR3000 (work in progress), Honda HS624WA (sold 08/23/2010), Stihl BR550 Backpack Blower, Stihl MS250, McCulloch MS1635, Honda EM6500SX Generator
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ralphfr
Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: Jan 22, 2011
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Re: Toro 221QE Didn't run right after storage
Reply #8 Nov 15, 2011 7:17 pm |
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Borat, sorry to here about the carb issue with the Toro 221 as I just bought one last year also. As I haven't yet brought mine out of storage yet this topic caught my attention. I'm not sure if this is an issue and I know you're aware of this but Toro does suggest 50:1. I also stored the machine with no fuel and was careful to tilt the machine in all directions until I was sure I burned most of it off. Ive yet to remove the cover and I'm curious if this machine has a drain on the float bowl or not? Anyway I've been researching generators lately with all of the storms we've had here in New York and lo and behold they seem to be having the same fuel/carb issues. A lot of the discussions have been aimed at ethanol so I'm not sure how much of a factor it is or isn't. My understanding is that ethanol absorbs water which will settle into the lowest parts of the fuel system and oxidize over time. Fuel stabilizer in and of itself will not inhibit ethnol's ability to absorb moisture so armed with this info my plan is to try 91 octane fuel with Marine Sta-bil and to make sure I store the machine with a full tank during the winter season to limit condensation. The tricky part will be to find a way to keep the condensation at a minimum in the fuel storage container. After all I've been reading during my research on snowthrowers and generators and due to the fact that it's impossible if not illegal to buy non-ethanol fuel in lower NYS, I'm thinking of going the full tank route for long term storage as there really is no way to be certain that the fuel system is completely dry. Hope you all have a safe and happy snowthrowing season.
This message was modified Nov 15, 2011 by ralphfr
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