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Bill_H


Location: Maine
Joined: Jan 12, 2008
Points: 354

Portable Generator
Original Message   Jan 7, 2009 1:36 am
Before I ask my question, are they on-topic for this forum?

If they are, I'll come back and edit it into this post. If not, can anyone recommend another place?


Edit, the next day: Thanks, I'll post my Q below!
This message was modified Jan 7, 2009 by Bill_H


Who the hell let all the morning people run things?
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MacLorry27


Joined: Dec 23, 2008
Points: 54

Re: Portable Generator
Reply #5   Jan 7, 2009 10:12 pm

I have a 5.5 kW gasoline generator. It’s an inexpensive Genterac model, but I’ve only needed it for an extended outage once in the last 7 years. I think I paid less than $500 for it. I have it set up to distribute power through the house wiring, but I did it on the cheap. It comes down to a question of how much money do you want tided up in a generator that you may only use a few days every 5 years.

My Genterac is hard to start in the cold, so I have to keep starting fluid on-hand. I also use synthetic oil in it so it’s easier to pull through in the cold. I keep 5 gallons of alcohol-free stabilized gas in it’s tank, but have the shutoff valve closed.

My generator burns 0.66 gallons per hour at half load (2,750 watts), which is nearly 16 gallons per day. I typically keep 35 gallons on hand, so I can run for about two days. If we get a big ice storm a person might have to drive a long ways to find a gas station that has both power and gas as many more people have generators than have 30 to 40 gallons on hand. Actually, it may be against code to keep that much gas in your garage depending on where you live. That’s why people spend the big bucks for NG or propane systems.

My generator is loud and the muffler gets hot enough to melt aluminum, so it’s no easy thing to find some means of extending the exhaust. You need something that can take the heat and is flexible enough to allow for the vibration. Flexible automotive exhaust hoses won’t take that much heat. I wouldn’t recommend running a generator in an attached garage as any leak in the exhaust could be dangerous. I made a 240v cable long enough so that I can set the generator on the driveway and run the cable under the closed garage door to a plug just inside the garage. I also run a steel cable to the generator and padlock it so it doesn’t just disappear.

One thing to remember is that if there’s an extended power outage anyone living nearby is either going to show up with an extension cord or might even think you should share your portable generator with them. You can make friends and you can make enemies during an extended power outage particularly in the winter.

Clay


Location: Wis
Joined: Dec 3, 2008
Points: 111

Re: Portable Generator
Reply #6   Jan 7, 2009 10:30 pm
Watch the exhaust on the portable units.  People DIE every year because they run them in an attached garage and think that they will be OK in the house.  Make sure it is ventilated properly. 

Good thing about Diesel is that it is more stable than gas and less volitale.  Less danger for you and your family.  Not terribly expensive:  http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/product_6970_8792_8792

Bill_H


Location: Maine
Joined: Jan 12, 2008
Points: 354

Re: Portable Generator
Reply #7   Jan 14, 2009 1:07 am
OK, research (mostly) completed, it seems I can't do what I want without it costing me an additional $1000 or more.

So I'll be getting a portable with wheels. Gasoline, because I don't want to try and store multiple 55 drums of diesel and replace it every year, nor do I want to be bothered with trying to hook up a portable to my big propane tank. I can always retrofit for propane if I change my mind.  I already have a manual transfer switch installed, did that when I built the house so I just need to run some #10 from there to a weatherproof Twist-Lok receptacle.

I'll have to leave it outside while in use, only problem with that is weather. Too much trouble to try to fit an exhaust pipe thru-wall, plus it would void the warranty.

BTW, the "All Power America" brand is all-chinese. Forget that. I'm down to two different B&S units, almost identical, the Craftsman 5600W  0302501 or the B&S 030333.

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_12605_07132561000P
http://www.briggsandstratton.com/engine_power/details.aspx?pid=150

The Craftsman is slightly more powerful (surge rating) and cheaper but not as well built, and the B&S is weatherproofed. But it's a short drive to Sears. I'd have to order the B&S and get it delivered. I was unable to come up with spec sheets for the generator portion, I suspect the B&S is a heavier-duty one. But I did learn that it will cost me $1500 more to get one of the really good ones, no portable units seem to have them.

Also, Hondas are way overpriced. I'd step up to a Kohler stationary before I'd pay that much for a portable. I have on the job experience with both Kohler and Cat and can't complain about either. I run datacenters on them, which is probably why it is so difficult for me to step down to one I can afford with my own money.

Who the hell let all the morning people run things?
Paul7


Joined: Mar 12, 2007
Points: 452

Re: Portable Generator
Reply #8   Jan 14, 2009 2:00 am
Bill_H wrote:
Deere has Subaru engines on some models, how are they?

Bill I'm not sure what Subaru engine Deere uses on their generators but if it similar to the one I have on my Ariens commercial mower it will be a great engine.  Mine is a Robin Subaru chain driven OHC/OHV  engine.  Starts great, smooth power, and the quietest gasoline engine I ever used. 

I can't speak to your other questions.  I only have a small 1850 watt portable generator. 
Coldfingers


Joined: Nov 20, 2008
Points: 84

Re: Portable Generator
Reply #9   Jan 14, 2009 10:42 am
Bill H. I have an overpriced honda portable generator on wheels, it is an 8 hp. 3000 watt. model. I have had to use it maybe 4 times in the time I've had it and it sure has saved me when I needed it. I know it was expensive but I thought I would have it to pass on to my kids someday, you never wear a good one out.
Clay


Location: Wis
Joined: Dec 3, 2008
Points: 111

Re: Portable Generator
Reply #10   Jan 14, 2009 12:24 pm
Check on line prices and even Ebay if you have access to local service.  If you can't get local service, I would pass on those units.  http://shop.ebay.com/items/?_nkw=new+honda+generator&_sacat=0&_fromfsb=&_trksid=m270.l1313&_odkw=honda+generator&_osacat=0
borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
Points: 2692

Re: Portable Generator
Reply #11   Jan 14, 2009 2:24 pm
Kubota make some of the best generators available.  Their diesels are pricey but phenomenally long lived.   I have one at my camp that's 26 years old with over 7500 hours on it.  Kubota also make gasoline units.  You should at least check them out. 
hirschallan


If it aint broke don't fix it !!


Location: Northern Hills of NY
Joined: Aug 25, 2005
Points: 327

Re: Portable Generator
Reply #12   Jan 14, 2009 6:21 pm
I was at a Costco store a weeek or two ago. They carried three portables and one of them was a HONDA. Don't remember the price nor the capacity.I went online but they don't show it. I guess it was only available in store.
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xenorias


Location: Sainte-Sophie, Quebec, Canada
Joined: Jan 7, 2009
Points: 26

Re: Portable Generator
Reply #13   Jan 16, 2009 11:46 am
Be very careful when buying expensive pieces of equipment from Costco!

They actually have special lines of products made just for them. Sometimes, you will see equiment or electronics with "obscure" brand names, or big brand names like Honda, in this case, but with lesser quality.

snowmachine


Location: Washington State
Joined: Nov 12, 2008
Points: 268

Re: Portable Generator
Reply #14   Jan 16, 2009 11:56 am
I'm in the market for a 2K-2.5K portable generator.

I had considered a Robin Subaru R1700i but I need 2K minimum.

http://www.robinamerica.com/pfeatures.aspx?pid=74

It's now a toss up between the Honda EU2000i or the Yamaha EF2400iS

http://www.hondapowerequipment.com/products/modeldetail.aspx?page=modeldetail&section=P2GG&modelname=EU2000i&modelid=EU2000IAN

http://www.yamaha-motor.com/outdoor/products/modelhome/475/0/home.aspx

I like the higher output of the Yamaha but it's about 25 lbs more than the Honda. It appears sound-wise they are the same. It appears the Honda has a longer potential runtime as well. I am leaning toward the Honda but the Yamaha is appealing as well.

Anyone have any + or - experiences with the above listed Honda or Yamaha product?

Thanks!
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