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gaken


Joined: Dec 25, 2007
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Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Original Message   Dec 25, 2007 12:12 pm
First Post for me ( so be kind):

I would love to have a 2 stage snowblower.  However for both space and financial reasons, I want to know what is the most powerful used single stage snowblower on the market?

Here are my requirements:

A) Must be able to clear up to 12" of wet or dry snow.  We usually get in the 6-8" range of dry snow here in Michigan.

B) Paved drive.  I ruled out 2 stage also because they don't clear all the way down to the pavement.

C) Must be able to make a good dent in the end of the drive snowplow buildup.

I considered a Toro CCR 3000 (5 HP Suzuki engine - model year '97 - '99),  a Toro 3650 (6.5 HP - R Tek Lawn Boy engine - model yr 2000 - 2007), an Ariens 722EC (7 HP),  or a Honda.  I found it interesting that when I talked to my local Toro dealer, he told me that the Toro CCR 3000 was actually stronger than the R tek  Lawn Boy engine in the 3650. He said it  was an underated Commercial engine that would be less prone to "bog down" in the deep stuff. When I called Toro about it, they told me that the 121cc Suzuki engine makes the same 6 ft/lbs of torque as the Larger 141cc Lawn Boy Duraforce engine in the Toro 3650. They also told me that the Suzuki engine had a Net HP of 5 and the Toro 3650 only had a net HP of 4 .  (6.5 HP Gross).

Anyone with first hand experience or knowledge here, please weigh in.

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Gelid


Location: Maine
Joined: Nov 19, 2007
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Re: Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Reply #1   Dec 25, 2007 6:13 pm
Many engines especially newer Japanese ones (Honda/Suzuki/Kawa...) are underrated in order to meet stringent environmentalist lobby-induced restrictions in certain states especially California.It seems that few environmentalists have a sound understanding of mechanics and therefore don't know that "reducing" hp rating can be as simple as stating a lower value. For this reason HP ratings on Japanese engines tend to be very conservative.

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whitedog


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Re: Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Reply #2   Dec 25, 2007 9:14 pm
most powerfull single stage?

i think the hands down winner of this contest is the BCS tractor with a 13hp honda engine and your choice of 20", 24" or 28" single stage snowblower.

regarding your desire to get down to blacktop, a two stage with a properly adjusted scraper bar will get you real close to bare blacktop. in fact i think the new toro's have a "floating" scraper bar that will allow for pavement irregularities and still give you "down to blacktop" most of the time.

oh wait, you have space and money issues, never mind.

This message was modified Dec 25, 2007 by whitedog


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Gelid


Location: Maine
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Re: Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Reply #3   Dec 25, 2007 9:42 pm
Anyway Gaken, to answer your original question I guess the Honda HS520AS which has a 160cc engine is one of the most powerful walk-behind single-stage out there, the nominal 5hp rating is misleading but you know that already. Capacity is 55 tons/hour, Honda engine is as reliable as they get and quiet (for a snowblower). That's the good. The bad is that it's one of the most expensive single-stages, even used ones are pricey when you can find one.

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borat


Joined: Nov 10, 2007
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Re: Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Reply #4   Dec 26, 2007 11:01 am
From some reports I've read, the Honda single stage units are not as effective a moving snow as the other brands.   You'll get more bang for your buck buying something else.
Gelid


Location: Maine
Joined: Nov 19, 2007
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Re: Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Reply #5   Dec 26, 2007 12:43 pm
borat wrote:
From some reports I've read, the Honda single stage units are not as effective a moving snow as the other brands.   You'll get more bang for your buck buying something else.

That's a pretty bold statement, could you provide more details? Your post lead me to think that Hondas had some terrible flaw that made them the absolute worst choice but after googling it for an hour I get the opposite impression. Do you or have you owned a single-stage Honda and had a bad experience with it?

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borat


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Re: Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Reply #6   Dec 26, 2007 1:22 pm
Gelid wrote:
That's a pretty bold statement, could you provide more details? Your post lead me to think that Hondas had some terrible flaw that made them the absolute worst choice but after googling it for an hour I get the opposite impression. Do you or have you owned a single-stage Honda and had a bad experience with it?



Bold?  Why would you say that?   Are Hondas beyond reproach?  They're just machines like the others.  Seems you might be over-reacting just a bit.  No? 

I believe there were at least two posts over at the other OPE site where I read a less than favourable comment about the Honda single stage machine.  I'm not that obsessed about the subject to go looking for them.  Feel free is you so desire. 

Gelid


Location: Maine
Joined: Nov 19, 2007
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Re: Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Reply #7   Dec 26, 2007 2:53 pm
borat wrote:
Bold?  Why would you say that?   Are Hondas beyond reproach?  They're just machines like the others.  Seems you might be over-reacting just a bit.  No? 

I believe there were at least two posts over at the other OPE site where I read a less than favourable comment about the Honda single stage machine.  I'm not that obsessed about the subject to go looking for them.  Feel free is you so desire. 


Jeez dude get a hold of yourself I was only asking why you think one specific brand is so bad, no needs to get all up in arms about it. Sheesh!

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borat


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Points: 2692

Re: Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Reply #8   Dec 26, 2007 10:36 pm
Gelid wrote:
Jeez dude get a hold of yourself I was only asking why you think one specific brand is so bad, no needs to get all up in arms about it. Sheesh!


OK.  I have a hold of myself.  Now what?  I don't own a Honda sooooo........no funny stuff.  Know what I mean? 
krislu


Location: Long Island, NY
Joined: Dec 27, 2004
Points: 148

Re: Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Reply #9   Dec 27, 2007 7:00 pm
gaken wrote:
First Post for me ( so be kind):

I would love to have a 2 stage snowblower.  However for both space and financial reasons, I want to know what is the most powerful used single stage snowblower on the market?

Here are my requirements:

A) Must be able to clear up to 12" of wet or dry snow.  We usually get in the 6-8" range of dry snow here in Michigan.

B) Paved drive.  I ruled out 2 stage also because they don't clear all the way down to the pavement.

C) Must be able to make a good dent in the end of the drive snowplow buildup.

I considered a Toro CCR 3000 (5 HP Suzuki engine - model year '97 - '99),  a Toro 3650 (6.5 HP - R Tek Lawn Boy engine - model yr 2000 - 2007), an Ariens 722EC (7 HP),  or a Honda.  I found it interesting that when I talked to my local Toro dealer, he told me that the Toro CCR 3000 was actually stronger than the R tek  Lawn Boy engine in the 3650. He said it  was an underated Commercial engine that would be less prone to "bog down" in the deep stuff. When I called Toro about it, they told me that the 121cc Suzuki engine makes the same 6 ft/lbs of torque as the Larger 141cc Lawn Boy Duraforce engine in the Toro 3650. They also told me that the Suzuki engine had a Net HP of 5 and the Toro 3650 only had a net HP of 4 .  (6.5 HP Gross).

Anyone with first hand experience or knowledge here, please weigh in.

Gaken- I understand your reasons but I think they are flawed. If your buying new any of the more powerful single stage machines are right there with the price  of a 2 stage. The top of the line Toros are $1000 (ball park). I have to believe ( haven't checked as I'm not in the market for one) that the top of the line Honda and Ariens are right there too. For a $1000 you could and imo should get a Ariens 8hp/24" machine. Also size wise (for storage) the bigger single stage machines aren't much smaller than an entry level 2 stage machine. 2 stage machines will clear down to pavement if the owner/operator sets the skids to do so. As for eod I would any day rather be tackling it with a 2 stage. I've had on very rare occasion had to clear a 3' eod. There is no guarantee on how high the plow truck driver will pile it up on you. I have no first hand experience with the machines you listed, I am coming from a price/size stand point.

Borat- I personally don't think Honda is all that either and I do find if anyone critcises honda they are open to alot of flack but I thought your post was a pretty general statement. It's ok to post that but then you should provide some proof like a link to a site where you read that. No funny stuff intended. Keep on posting.

- Kris

This message was modified Dec 27, 2007 by krislu


           
gaken


Joined: Dec 25, 2007
Points: 5

Re: Controversial Topic: What is the Most Powerful Single Stage Snowblower?
Reply #10   Dec 27, 2007 7:56 pm
krislu wrote:



Thanks everyone for your response.

Krislu,

I don't think my reasons are flawed, also when I say space is a consideration, weight goes along with it.  I am used to lifting a snowblower or mower and putting it in the back of my car (for service or to clear a relative's driveway.  Not so easy to do so by yourself with  2 stage snowblowers (find a pickup truck, ramps,  second person......)   If you can benchpress 80 lbs, you are golden for "tossing " a single stage in a typical car trunk.  I like that superior power to weight ratio of  2 cycle engines.

If I am out of town when a snow storm hits, my wife will start up a single stage and clear "some" of my driveway (enough to get out).  With a 2 stage, forget about it, I better hurry home.  Maybe your wife is different.  Get my "drift"?

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