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Denny


Joined: Dec 12, 2007
Points: 7

Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire
Original Message   Dec 12, 2007 8:14 pm
I turned the key on and have no spark from the plug or even the plug wire when turning over the engine

How do I know if it is the coil magneto or the xstar module magneto?

It is a model 38180

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niper99


Location: London Ont
Joined: Dec 2, 2007
Points: 338

Re: Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire
Reply #3   Dec 13, 2007 5:51 pm
mech

thats what l was trying to say,  but your is easier to understand well said  lol

Denny


Joined: Dec 12, 2007
Points: 7

Re: Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire
Reply #4   Dec 13, 2007 9:23 pm
The key switch is good and I will remove the cover next to test the magneto/coil.  One question I have is how to test if it's either this brass 1.5"X1" box or the coil itself. 

The box is called the xstar module magneto it's around $140.00 and the coil is around $120.00 at this website.

http://www.rcpw.com/   the Toro is model 38180 and it shows a picture of what I am talking about.

Thanks for your replies.  I need to fix this thing before we get a storm on Sunday.  We just had 6 inches fall today in Albany it took me 3X longer to get home today and I left at 3:30.  The roads were a mess and a lot of people on the freeway.

niper99


Location: London Ont
Joined: Dec 2, 2007
Points: 338

Re: Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire
Reply #5   Dec 14, 2007 12:47 am
l didn't reliaze that you hade a seperate igntion module l'm not exactly sure how to test that, but if l had to bet on it l would replace the module 90% sure.  maybe u should take it to a shop to make sure 140.00 dollaurs ain't  a cheap guess
Denny


Joined: Dec 12, 2007
Points: 7

Re: Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire
Reply #6   Dec 21, 2007 6:41 pm
I replaced electronic/magneto box/ignition module with a generic Stens Mega Fire II. I know have spark at the plug, I didn't't before.

I gapped the plug and put it in. I now start the engine (using 100% gas to test)

It starts a little then misfires and sometimes backfires. It doesn't stay running.

The paperwork for the Mega Fire says it may not work with more than one magnet in the flywheel, (I have three).

Do you think I might need the Toro OEM magneto module for timing purpose.
Could it be because the 100% gas?

The resistance/ohm check for the coil was 1.1 ohms from one coil to gnd then 11K ohms to the plug wire. I think the coil good as the original problem was no spark and now I have spark after the module change.
mech12


Joined: Feb 20, 2006
Points: 273

Re: Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire
Reply #7   Dec 22, 2007 5:25 pm
  yes,  the only thing that mega fire does is to replace points and a condensor.  if you have an external "timimg" module  you cant overide that with this mega fire.   that suzuki engine with break your bank.  
Denny


Joined: Dec 12, 2007
Points: 7

Re: Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire FIXED
Reply #8   Dec 23, 2007 5:55 pm
FIXED!!!!!!!I had to scrape some paint to get a good ground and reverse the wires on the "universal" ignitor (Mega Fire II) $15.00 vs. $110.00 OEM

Blowin snow, thanks

miller87


Joined: Feb 12, 2010
Points: 6

Re: Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire
Reply #9   Feb 12, 2010 8:10 pm
I realize this post is old and Denny may no longer be on this board, but I had to ask.  I seem to have the same problem and the shop wanted about $140 for the Toro 81-0340
Xstar Module-Magneto.  Including labor it was pushing $200 and I only paid $75 for this eight years ago.  I just can't see putting that much into this machine so after reading this post I asked them to order the Stens Mega Fire II 440465 ignition module for $18 and I'll install it myself.  So if Denny is still out there or anyone else who has experience with this part, I'd like to know if it is durable in this application.

Which wiring method do I use, the negative ground or positive ground? See the wiring diagram at http://www.rcpw.com/kawasaki-ignition-coils-parts/440465.html.  Click on the 2nd thumbnail pic for the diagram.

Thanks!

(The machine in question is a 1987 Toro CCR2000, model 38180)

miller87


Joined: Feb 12, 2010
Points: 6

Re: Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire
Reply #10   Feb 17, 2010 10:16 pm
Update.  I bought the part mentioned in this thread, the Mega Fire II universal ignition module (http://www.rcpw.com/kawasaki-ignition-coils-parts/440465.html).  I actually got it from my local Toro shop.  I installed it with the negative ground wiring as shown in the installation diagram.  I decided to install the module up near the spark plug access cover instead of under the engine near the auger as the original part was.  Since I'm not sure of the durability of the part in this application, I wanted to make it easy to replace it if it fails.

From what I can tell, the original part (Toro Xstar Module-Magneto 81-0340) was grounded by its metal case with the two screws that held it to the engine block.  I grounded the new module with the included bare-end wire.  I clamped the bare wire (which I stripped to about 1") under the bolt holding the key switch ground wire.  I applied dielectric grease to all connections.  I'll secure the module body with a wire so it stays in place yet is isolated from engine heat and vibration.  It seems like the old module failed when the engine was hot and I figured minimizing vibration couldn't hurt.

I'll post pictures once I get it done if I can do it on this site.

hosed


Joined: Feb 19, 2010
Points: 2

Re: Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire
Reply #11   Feb 19, 2010 3:25 am
Miller87,
Did the Mega Fire ii work for you? How does the engine run with it?  Curious to know if this $20 part really will replace a $140 Toro module.
Thanks
miller87


Joined: Feb 12, 2010
Points: 6

Re: Toro CCR 2000, no spark from plug wire
Reply #12   Feb 19, 2010 11:11 am
hosed, after installing the new module I started the engine a few times and from what I could tell, it ran the same as it always had.  I didn't blow any snow yet since I haven't put the shrouds back on yet.  I am going to put it all back together today and then give it a real test.  I'll post again.

In another post by Denny, I think on this site, he mentioned the key switch operated in the opposite way, but I did not find that in my case.  On is still on and off is off.

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