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70chevrolet


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ariens V- belts
Original Message   Dec 10, 2005 7:53 pm
Is there a rhyme or reason to the size of the belt in the part number? I need a one inch bigger than the one I have for a custom application. Can I use a heavy duty automotive belt?
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newjerseybt


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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #1   Dec 10, 2005 10:36 pm
I have 2 Ariens machine. They both use fractional sized belts. I avoid automobile belts because they are not designed for a slip clutch application IMO. I would not want the auger turning intermittantly without warning. I found OPE belts that are real close to the original belt size at 1/3 the cost but expect that I will have to play with the idler adjustment pulley to get the auger or drive wheels to engage properly.  
Garandman


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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #2   Dec 11, 2005 6:33 am
70chevrolet wrote:
Is there a rhyme or reason to the size of the belt in the part number? I need a one inch bigger than the one I have for a custom application. Can I use a heavy duty automotive belt?

Gates Rubber has a fitment  guide on their website.
70chevrolet


Location: Mansfield, MA
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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #3   Dec 12, 2005 2:19 pm
Well for my application, I am not going to be able to use an original ariens belt. I just cant get the right size. Would anyone please offer another brand that would fare well in this application and work well with the slip clutch...

Thanks.

newjerseybt


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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #4   Dec 12, 2005 9:45 pm
Here is a place that sells kevlar belts. They should work fine.

http://www.rustrepair.com/LAWN_MOWER_PARTS/onlinecat.htm?r=fr&p=MP-BELTS-BE.12KEV

70chevrolet


Location: Mansfield, MA
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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #5   Dec 13, 2005 7:53 pm
Hey thanks for that link. I placed an order for a 41". I am pretty sure that will work as I have tried a 39.5" (tec factory belt # 72086) and an aftermarket 43". I've only got 41" and 42" left to go. I cant wait to throw snow. 12 horse motor and 24" auger I am hoping for 50 feet.
nibbler


Joined: Mar 5, 2004
Points: 745

Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #6   Dec 14, 2005 1:41 pm
My understanding is that automotive belts will wear out extremely quickly and aren't worth the effort. Belts designed for snowblowers are made with a layer of kevlar and don't stretch. The only reason you have to adjust the belt tension is because the inner rubber wears and the inside diameter of the belt increases.
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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #7   Dec 14, 2005 2:22 pm
I thought v-belts NEVER rested on the inside diameter (bottom) track if they fit properly, else they would tend to slip.

I also believe besides the belt length and type of material (kevlar) the profile is critical in order to fit the pulley properly. 

The "v" angle differs in the type of application.

I bought an aftermarket "True Blue" kevlar belt  that seemed to fit the application I needed. When I compared it to the original Ariens belt,  the height (thickness) of the belt was about 1/8 inch less. It will work, but it is not as strong and may not last as long. The belt was $6.95 as opposed to $21.00. BUT.....if you have sooner "downtime" and consider labor, the cheapie may not be worth it. 

I did run across a quality belt made by Rotary Corp. Rotary Corp's dealer "finder" at their site is not working properly but I hope to buy some belts from them in the future.

70chevrolet


Location: Mansfield, MA
Joined: Dec 6, 2005
Points: 120

Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #8   Dec 14, 2005 3:16 pm
I would like noting more than to use a factory ariens belt, but nobody can give me a listing of the lengths that are availible. Th ariens belts have a 17/32 top and a 7/32 bottom where as replacement belts are listed as 1/2 inch...which means 16/32 at top and 9/32 at the bottom. so overall they differ by 1/8 in width. Length is another story. Ariens only offers a few lenghts that are listed. Some are listed with part numbers but no length.Replacement belts list belts in one inch increments. I have found a few replacement 1/2 inch belts that list oddball lengths. Scag offers a 1/2" x 40 1/2" and then greenshoes offers a snapper belt that is 1/2" x 41 3/4".. once I get the length right, then I can hassle ariens to try and find me a belt that is close enough to work. Hell, I'll even change the size of the idler pulley if I have to. But you never know, the aftermarket belt might work just as well when I get it on there. I'll keep the board posted as soon as I get some more info.
70chevrolet


Location: Mansfield, MA
Joined: Dec 6, 2005
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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #9   Dec 15, 2005 2:52 pm
just an FYI..I almost found out the hard way. Some manufacures measure the diameter of a v-belt on the inside and some do it on the outside. Ariens uses the OD. 
hirschallan


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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #10   Dec 15, 2005 7:17 pm
Most v belts measure the OD

Snowmann


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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #11   Dec 16, 2005 12:05 am
70chevrolet wrote:
just an FYI..I almost found out the hard way. Some manufacures measure the diameter of a v-belt on the inside and some do it on the outside. Ariens uses the OD. 

I'm not sure where the "OD" information is coming from; belt sizes are always spec'd by effective length which is a theoretical length at the pitch line. The measurment is calculated from equipment that uses standardized inspection pulleys and a specified weight for tension.

70chev, let me know what length your looking for and I'll let you know the closest 2 or 3 Ariens belts. Be sure to include your application and other requirements (cogged, raw edge, wrapped, cord construction, application, etc.).

Most off-the-shelf aftermarket belts are typically of very good construction, almost always Aramid cord, usually wrapped, and available in 1/2" effective legnth increments. They are general purpose and intended to work in as many applications as possible, hence they are versatile and strong. My guess is the thickness is spec'd thinner than a normal belt again due to versatility. A belt with a thick section will crack and fail quickly on a pulley that has a very small diameter.

Please do note that when using these types of belts that the clutch cover stock likely will reduce performance on a attachment/impeller drive application. Units with very high capacity and throwing distance will slip a clutch cover belt. Raw edge Aramid cord belts are best for attachment/impeller drives (you will hear a chirp when the clutch is engaged). Also, length is particularly critical for attachment/impeller drives to maintain full adjustment and also ensure the safety mechanisms work properly (brake, belt fingers, etc.). I would not advise using aftermarket belts on attachment/impeller drives for these reasons. Ariens' tolerance on these belts is typically .180" to .240" total tolerance on effective length.

PK

Majorxlr8n


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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #12   Dec 16, 2005 12:21 am
If you have a fixed idler pulley (non adjustable type) then a factory belt must be used. If you have an adjustable idler with ample adjustability, then an aftermarket belt should be ok. I use Gates OPE Green belts & Napa's - both of which I have had very good results with. They hold up well & provide excellent performance. Just my 2 pennies...

Marty

nibbler


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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #13   Dec 16, 2005 6:50 am
newjerseybt wrote:
I thought v-belts NEVER rested on the inside diameter (bottom) track if they fit properly, else they would tend to slip.

You are correct about the inside diameter of the belt, I was actuallly reffering to the material inside of the outter diamter where the belt contacts the pulleys. In particular the "V" shaped sides. As they wear the belt gets looser but the length of the belt stays the same. The belt isn't stretching even though it is looser.
70chevrolet


Location: Mansfield, MA
Joined: Dec 6, 2005
Points: 120

Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #14   Dec 16, 2005 9:02 am
I just tried an Oregon Prenmium aramid cord belt (75-441) which is 1/2"x41".... It is almost a perfect match. It is just the slightest, almost not worth mentioning, tiny bit on the tight side. But if I get any wear what so ever, the idler pulley still has full adjustment. So I guess it's perfect. If anyone can match an Ariens belt to anywhere between 41" and  411/2" then I would be lookng pretty, not that I'm not already with my new machine and all. Snowman, I know you mentioned that you maybe had a listing for Ariens sizes.  I am so lucky...... I went from this:





TO THIS !







    I forget who said it but yes, the wheels do stick out past the auger. The chute maybe looks a bit stubby. All in time.....The only ariens ST1224 that I know of.!!
Snowmann


Joined: Dec 3, 2003
Points: 494

Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #15   Dec 16, 2005 11:48 am
07213200 is the only one that's close.

41.5" effective legnth, 4L section, raw edge, Aramid cord, neutral axis, 100% Chloroprene rubbers.

PK

70chevrolet


Location: Mansfield, MA
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Points: 120

Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #16   Dec 16, 2005 12:01 pm
Impressive....You have information that could not be ascertained by vising multiple authorized dealers and even by calling the Ariens Warranty sevrice department.... Thanks for that information.
solara


Location: Boston
Joined: Jun 16, 2004
Points: 242

better late than never
Reply #17   Jan 7, 2006 12:10 am

ARIENS BELTS LISTING

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ARIENS0120380053.5
ARIENS0120960050.5
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ARIENS0721630064.5
ARIENS0721690065.5
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ARIENS0721710032.125.375
ARIENS0721920039.5
ARIENS0722400028.375
ARIENS0722410027.375
ARIENS0722520037.375
ARIENS1720710038.5


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70chevrolet


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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #18   Jan 7, 2006 11:01 am
Holy Sh*t .... Thats paydirt.

Note to self:
1. Print
2. Laminate
3. Insert as a page in repait manual.
newjerseybt


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Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #19   Jan 7, 2006 1:35 pm
Thanks Solara!

This kind of stuff is hard to find!

If you can find a dealer that sells "Rotary" OPE belts, you might find one that is close in length at half the price.

solara


Location: Boston
Joined: Jun 16, 2004
Points: 242

Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #20   Jan 7, 2006 7:24 pm
info came from  a link from the following site:

http://www.johnfvining.com/

has links to all sorts of manufactures and parts info.

Learned about it from someone on this site that posted it months ago.

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Jacobsen snow-burst
dirtboyjohn


Joined: Jan 22, 2006
Points: 1

Re: ariens V- belts
Reply #21   Jan 22, 2006 5:03 pm
Dear Solara et al,

There's lots more belts info at http://www.johnfvining.com but please don't copy and paste the whole page at a time. It's there for your free use. If you wish to refer to info found there you should describe what it is and provide a link to it.

Thanks,

John

http://www.johnfvining.com

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